Round 5 - Kwele

[Dave]

ROUND 5
KWELE

There was so much excitement with the tribe swap yesterday that I needed to sleep on my thoughts a bit to think things through. I was a little nervous about the whole situation of finally interacting with some of the Americans because I was worried they’d all be unified and that the Dyaln vote out was a 7-1 blindside.

New tribes are posted and I guess I got lucky that I’ve got Tomas and Jose with me. Don't get me wrong I'm ecstatic that Tomas is here with me because I can further strengthen my relationship with him and talk more long-term goals with him, which I did the moment I saw we were together.

[2012-11-20 7:57:56 PM] Dave: also, I kind of feel like this was implied already... but I'm just putting this in words
[2012-11-20 7:58:10 PM] Dave: I've always liked you/Adrian. And I wanna go as far as I can with both of you in this game
[2012-11-20 7:58:23 PM] Dave: so i've always got your back in this thing
[2012-11-20 7:58:28 PM] Dave: just a so you know
[2012-11-20 7:59:41 PM] tomas: same here man i just really want to play this game with you, adrian and also ryan
[2012-11-20 7:59:52 PM] tomas: it's our great opportunity
[2012-11-20 7:59:53 PM] tomas: to make this happen
[2012-11-20 8:00:06 PM] tomas: i guess we are the best one in this season
[2012-11-20 8:00:17 PM] tomas: i have really good times with talkin to you and other buddies
[2012-11-20 8:00:23 PM] Dave: yeah, me too
[2012-11-20 8:00:30 PM] Dave: we all just have a good time with each other
[2012-11-20 8:00:54 PM] tomas: it's just great:) i dont wanna be in this game with someone others so we have to check eachother back to avoid voting out somebody from us:)
[2012-11-20 8:01:06 PM] Dave: exactly
[2012-11-20 8:01:11 PM] tomas: im gonna do whatever i mean whatever
[2012-11-20 8:01:16 PM] tomas: to keep u guys in this game:)
[2012-11-20 8:01:17 PM] Dave: I'm fine if we gotta say bye to jose :X
[2012-11-20 8:01:53 PM] tomas: yeah joe is nice person but he is not so deserving to be here and i guess he s not so connected with us like we all are
[2012-11-20 8:02:00 PM] Dave: yeah, agreed
[2012-11-20 8:02:04 PM] Dave: he's just so busy that I can't trust him
[2012-11-20 8:02:07 PM] Dave: not around enough
[2012-11-20 8:02:54 PM] tomas: yeah he is here only for a part of the challenge and also for a part of the council lol
[2012-11-20 8:02:59 PM] Dave: haha exactly
[2012-11-20 8:03:46 PM] tomas: i like him also, but you know i feel for you guys that you are really my friends..well at least in this game, you are people which i wanna go far... joe isn't he is cool but i dont care much if u know what i mean:)

The problem is I really don't trust Jose at the moment. He’s never around enough for me to really know what he’s thinking or who he actually trusts. I wanted to ask him about what Adrian told me about how I said Adrian wanted people to vote Jose, but I don't want to spook Jose into thinking I don't trust him. So I'll act like nothing happened. Would Jose actually turn on me this round? I don’t think he’d do it right now, seeing I don’t see how it helps his game to further decimate the foreigners, but idk. I’ve seen people do dumb things already this game. I’d much rather of had Adrian or Ryan not only for the trust factor but I’m worried about the other tribe having all the challenge strength.

Ryan suggested since it was three of us and two of them that we’d throw the challenges.

[2012-11-20 6:56:42 PM] Ryan Quanz: What about you guys throwing the challenge?
[2012-11-20 6:57:38 PM] Ryan Quanz: It's a stretch but it might work if you guys are confident in the numbers?
[2012-11-20 6:58:06 PM] Dave Johnston: we'll have to see how things go
[2012-11-20 6:58:16 PM] Dave Johnston: if we can easily get Sagar to switch, I'd be cool with that
[2012-11-20 6:58:18 PM] Adrian John Dias: You need to see about idols, etc
[2012-11-20 6:58:21 PM] Dave Johnston: yeah
[2012-11-20 6:58:29 PM] Adrian John Dias: so do what is best for you guys
[2012-11-20 6:58:38 PM] Ryan Quanz: For sure

I said we will see how things go, but in reality? Hell no. Haha. You two are on your own. I’m not throwing no damn challenges with idols in this game. I wish them the best of luck of surviving because I really do want to meet up with them again at the merge, but I’m not putting myself in danger at a TC if I can avoid it.

I’m cautiously optimistic about being on the new Kwele tribe as the moment I met both Kim and Sagar they were throwing each other under the bus before I even had to say anything. Hell, Sagar sent Tomas a PM throwing Kim/Jeb under the bus before they even met.

[2012-11-20 7:40:25 PM] Dave: it seemed like endurance was all your strong point in that bird challenge!
[2012-11-20 7:40:31 PM] Dave: the whole time I was like 'damn you people, go to bed'
[2012-11-20 7:40:32 PM] Dave: haha
[2012-11-20 7:40:50 PM] Kim: HAHAHAHAHA
[2012-11-20 7:41:08 PM] Kim: yeah hash and sagar were against me from the beginning.
[2012-11-20 7:41:51 PM] Dave: ack really?
[2012-11-20 7:41:52 PM] Dave: why?
[2012-11-20 7:43:46 PM] Kim: I have no idea. thier target along with dylan was the girls, they tried to split votes between us. I thought it was completely unfair so i messaged renee and said, lets blindside dylan. LOL oh boy was he mad.

Sagar 2012-11-20 10:08 PM
i don't want to sound like some sort of OTTbitch but yeah like
2012-11-20 10:08 PM
jeb and kim are the shiftiest fuckers on the planet
Dave 2012-11-20 10:09 PM
I saw on the facebook group that they are friends
2012-11-20 10:09 PM
or like previous friends or w/e
Sagar 2012-11-20 10:09 PM
yup exactly
2012-11-20 10:09 PM
they are super tight
2012-11-20 10:09 PM
because they played FB orgs or something
Dave 2012-11-20 10:09 PM
I didn't even know there were FB orgs
2012-11-20 10:09 PM
lmao
Sagar 2012-11-20 10:09 PM
yeah seriously
2012-11-20 10:09 PM
and all of those fuckers are clearly insane
2012-11-20 10:09 PM
because her, renee, jeb

My concern is that it is too good to be true. Could very easily be a ploy to get Jose/Tomas/I to vote for one of them thinking they aren't working together and they throw out an idol. However, there is some evidence to point to the credibility of them not working together. Renee and Kim were targets at the second tribal council and both received votes. There's no way it was Jeb/Sagar/Kim as the three Dylan votes. Renee/Kim/Jeb do all play facebook games together, so it'd make sense if they aligned. Gonna have to investigate this.

Regardless, Tomas and I joined up with Kim and Jeb for an alliance.

[2012-11-20 8:11:12 PM] Kim: Ok, so i am thinking i havent spoken with joe yet so i dont know if he is cool or whatever. Tomas seems friendly and Jeb is loyal as am I. If we had lost again sagar was taking me out, i've already had to use my idol. so if the rest of us team up, well who exactly did you trust over there that has come to kwele? maybe that would be the better place to start
[2012-11-20 8:14:07 PM] Dave: to be completey honest with you, I do trust both Tomas/Jose
[2012-11-20 8:14:32 PM] Dave: not like omg I'd do anything for them kind of thing
[2012-11-20 8:14:38 PM] Dave: but they've given me no reason not to trust them
[2012-11-20 8:15:11 PM] Dave: it's just hard with Tomas' time zone and Jose is in a band
[2012-11-20 8:15:13 PM] Dave: so he's super busy
[2012-11-20 8:15:16 PM] Dave: not around a lot
[2012-11-20 8:15:46 PM] Kim: ok. well then as long as we for sure have 4. i will freely admit i will be out to get sagar.
[2012-11-20 8:15:59 PM] Dave: then you may be my new best friend
[2012-11-20 8:16:00 PM] Dave: hahaha
[2012-11-20 8:16:08 PM] Dave: I was so nervous I was screwed cause of numbers
[2012-11-20 8:17:41 PM] Kim: No, and Im pretty sure then we are good to go. HAHA this is great.
[2012-11-20 8:17:57 PM] Kim: Not that i want to lose, and i certainly dont mind giving him false hopes
[2012-11-20 8:18:10 PM] Dave: omg yay, I love new beginnings

If everyone is telling the truth right now and it's going to turn into Sagar vs. Jeb/Kim I think it's in my personal best intrest long term to side with Jeb and Kim. Heading into the future Sagar would be much more dangerous of a player. He'll be able to team back up with Hash/Chris/Sam easily and not become a target again in a while. Jeb/Kim are always going to be seen as a duo and Jeb/Kim/Renee are going to be seen as a trio, so it means Hash/Chris/Sam would need me to take them out.

That's of course if all of this is true. I'm hoping at the very least if this is all a lie, that Kim/Jeb/Sagar will keep me around because I'm actually around to talk to them thanks to not being in a different time zone. I figure if I just be positive, friendly and appear to be a loyal vote to their causes they'll think I'm stupid and go after Tomas/Jose instead.

This game has certainly taken an interesting turn. I'm excited to see how it'll turn out.

[Dave]

Excellent. This is the prefect challenge to see where Sagar/Kim/Jeb really stand with each other. If they go after each other right away then I’m much more inclined to believe that I should be safe on this tribe. If Jose/Tomas/I are the first three eliminated from the challenge. Well that will suck. Might gotta play my idol this round!

I still have to play this smart. I don’t know how paranoid my tribe can be and I don’t know how butt hurt my Mbochi boys would be if I went after them. It’s public knowledge of the moves I make, so if I go after Tomas/Jose right away I’m sure Adrian/Ryan will not be happy with me. I don’t need people that trust me to know right now that I have a very me me me mindset. So, while immunity would be fantastic if Jeb/Kim/Jose/Tomas/Sagar all went at Jeb/Kim/Sagar and I focused on Jose/Tomas. Don't think one round of for sure safety in the short run now is worth mistrust from Adrian/Tomas/Jose/Ryan in the long run.

So hmmm. Will Sagar blow up at me if I go after him first? Will Kim/Jeb? I feel at this point I should just not show any cards and go after everyone evenly. If I win I win, if I don’t, I don’t.

Hate hate hate that I can’t say anything about the challenge to anyone. If I could talk I would have told Tomas/Jose that if I went after them right away we could hide how close we are. I could also tell Kim/Jeb it’s to hide our alliance. Can’t do that. So just gotta hope for the best that these people aren’t cray, and that my list pisses zero people off!

[Dave]

Argh. This is the part of the game I really don't get enjoyment out of. Assuming Sagar is really turning on Kim/Jeb and vice versa I have to play both sides. I'll probably be voting for Sagar, but it REALLY sucks because I'm really starting to like the guy. He's hilarious and a great conversationalist and I feel if things had turned out differently we'd make a great alliance. The thing is I just feel it's smarter for me to keep Kim/Jeb because they are such an obvious pairing.

[2012-11-21 11:50:13 PM] Sagar: so anyway
[2012-11-21 11:50:17 PM] Sagar: since we're going to TC lmao
[2012-11-21 11:50:20 PM] Sagar: what are you thinking?
[2012-11-21 11:50:31 PM] Dave: I'm happy as long as it ain't me
[2012-11-21 11:50:43 PM] Sagar: omg i've said that like
[2012-11-21 11:50:45 PM] Sagar: 10 times in my confessional
[2012-11-21 11:50:47 PM] Sagar: sandra <33
[2012-11-21 11:50:50 PM] Dave: hahahaha
[2012-11-21 11:51:23 PM] Dave: I mean it's hard cause I'm still trying to grasp the dynamics but it's hard seeing I haven't really talked to Jeb/Kim except for an intro hello
[2012-11-21 11:51:44 PM] Dave: I don't want the game to be mobchi vs. kewle or w/e, but I don't want to get screwed numbers wise, you know?
[2012-11-21 11:52:18 PM] Dave: but it's also hard to talk to people on my tribe... when they are never fucking on
[2012-11-21 11:52:21 PM] Dave: so that's really my thoughts on things
[2012-11-21 11:52:57 PM] Sagar: like i said before
[2012-11-21 11:52:59 PM] Sagar: or at least implied
[2012-11-21 11:53:03 PM] Sagar: i'm really a free agent
[2012-11-21 11:53:12 PM] Sagar: i just want to cover my own ass
[2012-11-21 11:53:16 PM] Dave: right, I guess I'm just hesitant
[2012-11-21 11:53:29 PM] Dave: cause with these idols... it forces people to lie
[2012-11-21 11:53:39 PM] Dave: so I'm with you
[2012-11-21 11:53:43 PM] Dave: I want to cover my ass haha Dave note: My 100% honest answer for lying.
[2012-11-21 11:55:25 PM] Sagar: yeah i know
[2012-11-21 11:55:33 PM] Sagar: i mean you've been through it three times
[2012-11-21 11:55:43 PM] Sagar: and i did it just once and it was still ridiculous
[2012-11-21 11:56:09 PM] Dave Johnston: exactly
[2012-11-21 11:56:15 PM] Dave Johnston: so I'd love to start to try to build some trust if you're up for that
[2012-11-21 11:56:41 PM] Dave Johnston: even just to keep each other's names off the table
[2012-11-21 11:56:48 PM] Sagar: i'm so down
[2012-11-21 11:56:49 PM] Dave Johnston: and go from there kind of thing?
[2012-11-21 11:57:05 PM] Dave Johnston: cause I don't expect you to trust me after like two days and two convos lol
[2012-11-21 11:57:12 PM] Sagar: yeah i know
[2012-11-21 11:57:18 PM] Sagar: it's more just the convenient thing for me to do
[2012-11-21 11:57:20 PM] Dave Johnston: but I don't want to leave
[2012-11-21 11:57:24 PM] Sagar: becasue you know how i feel about jeb and kim lmao
[2012-11-21 11:57:30 PM] Dave Johnston: haha yeah
[2012-11-21 11:58:57 PM] Dave Johnston: I guess that means you'd be willing to vote for one of them this round?
[2012-11-22 12:00:18 AM] Sagar: yep, absolutely
[2012-11-22 12:00:40 AM] Sagar: i'm just wary of me being tossed aside once i vote with you guys though lmao
[2012-11-22 12:01:06 AM] Dave Johnston: I'm not the type of person to do something like that
[2012-11-22 12:01:26 AM] Sagar: alright well i don't have much to go off of
[2012-11-22 12:01:30 AM] Sagar: obviously lmao
[2012-11-22 12:01:38 AM] Dave Johnston: haha yeah I know
[2012-11-22 12:01:39 AM] Dave Johnston: it's tough in that sense
[2012-11-22 12:02:00 AM] Dave Johnston: I'm just hesitant to throw one of Tomas/Jose under the bus right now
[2012-11-22 12:02:03 AM] Dave Johnston: and then you go tell them
[2012-11-22 12:02:05 AM] Dave Johnston: and then I go fuck
[2012-11-22 12:02:05 AM] Dave Johnston: haha
[2012-11-22 12:02:11 AM] Sagar: i haven't even talked to them lmao
[2012-11-22 12:02:15 AM] Dave Johnston: hahaha this is true
[2012-11-22 12:02:29 AM] Sagar: and i'm not the kind of guy who goes around copy-pasting conversations
[2012-11-22 12:02:36 AM] Sagar: that always ends up biting someone in the ass
[2012-11-22 12:02:39 AM] Dave Johnston: I believe you there
[2012-11-22 12:02:53 AM] Dave Johnston: gotta start the trust somewhere haha
[2012-11-22 12:07:03 AM] Dave Johnston: But yeah, I say let's see who wins immunity and then go from there. I'd be nice to have some allies from the opposite tribe going into the merge
[2012-11-22 12:07:09 AM] Dave Johnston: which I'm wondering if it'll be next round now?

So, I made a deal with him that we'd keep each other's names off the table this round to build trust... yeah. No can do there buddy. I really feel like we could have been great friends in a different circumstance, but just wasn't meant to be this game. Hopefully when it's all said and done their won't be any hard feelings. Just a game move, and who knows, things can change in the next few days.

[Dave]

Why am I always the original target on tribes when I’m first placed on them? Haha. Ugh. I’m in a situation I don’t like what so ever. I think I’ve saved myself for this round, but I have no freaking idea. Jose/Tomas hasn’t been around to talk to the others, but that’s a perfect reason to get me out because I’ll be more threatening later on.

Regardless, totally used my body and alcohol to get Jeb to like me last night on skype. Slutting it up shirtless for the win. Did it work? Again, idk but I hope so. I did my best to write down what he was spilling to me last night but I kinda woke up to this…

hagar/sahs/renee
mekimhashchris

renee/kim/jeb voted dylan. jeb gave idol to kim.

safar/shas didn't tristh sash/jeb/chris

kim/renee/hash/sagar

jason/kim/chris/

jason/sam/chris

LOL god dammit me. What an epic fail.

Still, I learned that Sagar/Jeb/Kim were gonna originally vote me out because they thought I was Adrian’s #2. Uh, no. That’s Tomas and I specifically told Jeb that because it’s the truth. Also went on about how I can’t trust Tomas/Jose because they are never around… again this is the truth about Jose, but not about Tomas. Whatever. Also learned that Jeb gave his idol to Kim in the second round, so she still has hers. I don’t really care if that’s a lie or not, if I’m voting them out I’m splitting the vote between them regardless. It’s easy to switch idols back and forth.

Jeb wants Tomas to go now this round, which raises HUGE red warning flags that this is all a scam to screw me over this game. If Thomas goes and Ryan or Adrian go on the other team I’ve lost a shit ton of power. Not happening. How can it be that the American’s are already in the numbers, and Jeb hates Sagar…. But we have to get rid of Tomas. Makes zero sense besides the obvious fact you want to isolate my options.

And… TOTALLY JUST SAW I WON IMMUNITY!!! WHOOHOO FUCK THIS ROUND. SUCK IT FUCKERS I’M MOVING ON!!! #classy Now I can work to save Tomas/Jose without worrying about any consequences.

[Dave]

I'm going to see how much understanding of the game I have with this vote. Either my suspicions on the three of them voting together this round are correct, or I just successfully did my part in playing them to all vote each other. From what Jeb has been trying to get me to do, I'm going to assume it'll be the former.

[2012-11-23 3:59:04 PM] Jason: No I liked it lol
[2012-11-23 3:59:08 PM] Jason: You were awesome
[2012-11-23 3:59:32 PM] Jason: Grats on immunity, btw.
[2012-11-23 3:59:40 PM] Dave Johnston: thanks
[2012-11-23 4:00:00 PM] Dave Johnston: now you're stuck with me for another round if you like it or not
[2012-11-23 4:00:36 PM] Jason: Hahah
[2012-11-23 4:01:10 PM] Jason: I told you, you're my f3 so like it or not, you're stuck too
[2012-11-23 4:01:57 PM] Dave Johnston: haha yay, I can't hate on that
[2012-11-23 4:02:09 PM] Jason: :-)
[2012-11-23 4:03:38 PM] Jason: So its Tomás this round?
[2012-11-23 4:03:47 PM] Dave Johnston: I still want Sagar lol
[2012-11-23 4:04:01 PM] Jason: Grrr
[2012-11-23 4:04:09 PM] Dave Johnston: tomas is talking to me now
[2012-11-23 4:04:15 PM] Dave Johnston: about splitting the vote between sagar/jose
[2012-11-23 4:04:15 PM] Jason: Saying?
[2012-11-23 4:04:36 PM] Dave Johnston: [2012-11-23 3:58:52 PM] tomas: you know there is still another possibility
[2012-11-23 3:58:57 PM] tomas: but i am not very much for that
[2012-11-23 3:59:07 PM] tomas: split for Sagar and Joe
[2012-11-23 4:04:52 PM] Dave Johnston: so I'm pretty sure he's down for me/you/kim/him
[2012-11-23 7:41:01 AM] Jason: 2 and a half hrs...
[2012-11-23 7:41:04 AM] Jason: no bueno
[2012-11-23 4:06:15 PM] Jason: ok im on the comp now
[2012-11-23 4:07:16 PM] Jason: Is jose voting Sagar too?
[2012-11-23 4:07:28 PM] Dave Johnston: I honestly have not talked to him since the sitch
[2012-11-23 4:07:35 PM] Dave Johnston: so I have no clue, but i'd assume?
[2012-11-23 4:07:46 PM] Jason: Who is telling him how to vote?
[2012-11-23 4:08:05 PM] Dave Johnston: I guess I will be if he cares to show up haha
[2012-11-23 4:08:17 PM] Dave Johnston: I can send him a pm now to vote Sagar
[2012-11-23 4:08:25 PM] Jason: Yeah
[2012-11-23 4:08:38 PM] Jason: Are you still scared about old Kwele going for you?
[2012-11-23 4:08:46 PM] Dave Johnston: yes
[2012-11-23 4:08:48 PM] Dave Johnston: 150%
[2012-11-23 4:08:57 PM] Dave Johnston: I believe you/Kim aren't
[2012-11-23 4:09:07 PM] Dave Johnston: but not the rest
[2012-11-23 4:09:38 PM] Jason: Well
[2012-11-23 4:09:46 PM] Jason: If we vote out Tomas and make Sagar use his idol
[2012-11-23 4:09:56 PM] Jason: Next TC we go to will be 100% easier for us
[2012-11-23 4:09:59 PM] Jason: Cause he's open
[2012-11-23 4:10:09 PM] Dave Johnston: why can't we vote out Sagar and make tomas use his idol
[2012-11-23 4:10:28 PM] Jason: B/c next round could be merge, actually
[2012-11-23 4:10:30 PM] Jason: It's 10 people
[2012-11-23 4:10:33 PM] Jason: Just thought of it
[2012-11-23 4:10:37 PM] Dave Johnston: right
[2012-11-23 4:10:46 PM] Dave Johnston: and I'm assuming one of adrian/ryan will go
[2012-11-23 4:10:49 PM] Dave Johnston: and if tomas goes
[2012-11-23 4:10:53 PM] Jason: Adrian has 2 idols, and Tomas is his right hand man.
[2012-11-23 4:10:55 PM] Dave Johnston: you can kind of see how I feel you all are out to get me
[2012-11-23 4:10:56 PM] Dave Johnston: lol
[2012-11-23 4:11:02 PM] Jason: I know how it can look.
[2012-11-23 4:11:15 PM] Jason: But I like you. I wouldn't take hash/sagar/chris/sam over you
[2012-11-23 4:11:25 PM] Jason: And I know that Chris doesn't like Hash/Sagar either.
[2012-11-23 4:11:52 PM] Dave Johnston: I believe you wouldn't take me out
[2012-11-23 4:11:54 PM] Jason: So me, you, kim, jose, ryan can vote together; Chris and most likely Sam will be down to vote Sagar
[2012-11-23 4:12:13 PM] Dave Johnston: but i don't know about hash/chris/sam/renee teaming up to take me out
[2012-11-23 4:12:23 PM] Dave Johnston: like I'm just showing this from my perspective
[2012-11-23 4:12:31 PM] Dave Johnston: sagar doesn't like you guys
[2012-11-23 4:12:34 PM] Jason: I know, and I understand.
[2012-11-23 4:12:34 PM] Dave Johnston: you guys don't like sagar
[2012-11-23 4:12:37 PM] Dave Johnston: but we have to vote tomas?
[2012-11-23 4:12:45 PM] Dave Johnston: to me I don't get it
[2012-11-23 4:12:54 PM] Jason: Just bc I'm seeing the bigger picture of Adrian being a huge threat.
[2012-11-23 4:13:00 PM] Jason: The less numbers he has, the better for everyone.
[2012-11-23 4:14:53 PM] Dave Johnston: I don't know if that's better for me. Adrian isn't going to go after me right now. I can make him not go after you/Kim either.
[2012-11-23 4:15:11 PM] Jason: Gahh
[2012-11-23 4:15:15 PM] Jason: He makes me so nervous
[2012-11-23 4:15:19 PM] Dave Johnston: he's good
[2012-11-23 4:15:20 PM] Dave Johnston: for sure
[2012-11-23 4:15:23 PM] Jason: That worries me lol
[2012-11-23 4:15:26 PM] Dave Johnston: but if everyone's against him
[2012-11-23 4:15:28 PM] Dave Johnston: he can't do shit
[2012-11-23 4:15:39 PM] Dave Johnston: tbh with you
[2012-11-23 4:15:50 PM] Dave Johnston: I don't think either of us are gonna change our minds about this haha
[2012-11-23 4:16:08 PM] Dave Johnston: I'm too paranoid about you're tribe taking me out
[2012-11-23 4:16:13 PM] Dave Johnston: you're too paranoid about adrian having power
[2012-11-23 4:17:02 PM] Jason: lmao srsly
[2012-11-23 4:17:12 PM] Jason: Either way, I think Sagar is using his idol
[2012-11-23 4:17:24 PM] Dave Johnston: I mean if I vote for Sagar
[2012-11-23 4:17:29 PM] Dave Johnston: and he happens to use his idol and Tomas goes home
[2012-11-23 4:17:33 PM] Dave Johnston: I can't do anything about that
[2012-11-23 4:17:40 PM] Jason: Unless you tell Tomas. =/
[2012-11-23 4:18:00 PM] Dave Johnston: haha true, I guess I could do that
[2012-11-23 4:18:12 PM] Dave Johnston: and if both sagar/tomas use their idols
[2012-11-23 4:18:14 PM] Dave Johnston: it'd be a revote
[2012-11-23 4:18:23 PM] Dave Johnston: and i guess come down to the points or w/e?
[2012-11-23 4:18:30 PM] Dave Johnston: i don't know how ties work
[2012-11-23 4:19:25 PM] Jason: Revote first, then points.
[2012-11-23 4:19:46 PM] Dave Johnston: gotcha
[2012-11-23 4:19:54 PM] Jason: I'd be down for that, but then it would cause complete havok between whoever survives that vote and myself
[2012-11-23 4:20:23 PM] Dave Johnston: that's the same thing for me though
[2012-11-23 4:20:31 PM] Dave Johnston: if I vote out Tomas
[2012-11-23 4:20:35 PM] Dave Johnston: I lose everyones trust
[2012-11-23 4:20:39 PM] Dave Johnston: minus you/kim
[2012-11-23 4:20:45 PM] Jason: Not if you just vote Sagar, Sagar uses idol and you're just as surprised as everyone.
[2012-11-23 4:22:07 PM] Dave Johnston: I don't want to go into the merege 7-3. I know I don't want to play this game original tribes, but it's hard to not think about that when it's in your face like that
[2012-11-23 4:22:19 PM] Jason: Right
[2012-11-23 4:22:33 PM] Jason: Ugh
[2012-11-23 4:22:38 PM] Dave Johnston: I mean regardless
[2012-11-23 4:22:42 PM] Dave Johnston: me/you/kim going forward is good
[2012-11-23 4:22:55 PM] Dave Johnston: regardless of what you do this round
[2012-11-23 4:22:56 PM] Jason: If I was 1,000% sure that Adrian was leaving this round, I'd be 1,000% down to vote Sagar, because I rly can't stand him.
[2012-11-23 4:22:59 PM] Dave Johnston: nothing is going to change that with me
[2012-11-23 4:23:26 PM] Dave Johnston: like I totally understand where you're coming from for your game to take out Tomas
[2012-11-23 4:23:31 PM] Dave Johnston: and for my game it's better to take out Sagar
[2012-11-23 4:24:17 PM] Dave Johnston: i need to get going for a little bit though
[2012-11-23 4:24:20 PM] Dave Johnston: i'll be back later!
[2012-11-23 4:24:36 PM] Jason: ooooook
[2012-11-23 4:24:47 PM] Jason: Will you be telling Tomas that Sagar is using his idol?
[2012-11-23 4:24:55 PM] Dave Johnston: I haven't decided
[2012-11-23 4:25:30 PM] Jason: Can you get back to me before the vote with your answer?
[2012-11-23 4:25:39 PM] Dave Johnston: yeah for sure
[2012-11-23 4:25:48 PM] Jason: Can we just make both Tomas and Sagar use their idols and vote Jose?
[2012-11-23 4:25:49 PM] Jason: lol
[2012-11-23 4:26:03 PM] Jason: Or will that still cause worry?
[2012-11-23 4:26:10 PM] Jason: GAH, ok ok I'll let you go bye!

Jeb and I are clearly butting heads on what should happen this round, and I honestly believe neither of us are going to change our minds. I'd love to say that regardless of what happens here that Kim/Jeb/I will continue to work together heading into the merge, but I really don't trust them. I fully expect them to throw me under the bus asap. Still, as I've explained over and over already I want to try to use them as a shield in the merge in case Americans all work together and destroy the foreigners. So I'm with them for now even if they have no intentions of keeping me around.

Also, you're damn straight I told Tomas I think he needs to use his idol this round. Hell no am I losing him.

[2012-11-24 10:56:00 AM] tomas: hey man:)
[2012-11-24 10:56:08 AM] Dave Johnston: how goes it?
[2012-11-24 10:56:09 AM] tomas: so what do you think about the vote?
[2012-11-24 10:56:16 AM] tomas: should i use an idol?
[2012-11-24 10:56:22 AM] Dave Johnston: I was a little MIA, did anything happen while I was gone?
[2012-11-24 10:56:31 AM] Dave Johnston: cause unless anything changed... i'm thinking you might need to
[2012-11-24 10:57:17 AM] Dave Johnston: I really don't trust the americans to keep us

I know Jose had his concert so he's been busy, but I literally haven't talked to him since Mbochi, which is a little worrisome. But still I gave him a heads up about using his idol as well via pm.

Hey man!

First off, Happy Birthday!!!!
Second, I hope your concert went amazing!
Third,

I haven't had a chance to speak with you in a while, so I'm just throwing out there what I know is going on. Apparently Sagar is willing to vote with us against Kim/Jeb and Kim/Jeb in literally like 3mins of being switched made a facebook group with me/tomas/kim/jeb. Later I was drunk talking with Jeb and he told me that I was originally going to be the target of all three of their votes. So, I pretty much don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths right now. I really think they are trying to say anything to make sure we don't play idols.

Kim/Jeb want us to split the votes between Sagar/you. Which is LOL no. Not happening.

I was thinking we vote Sagar this round because Kim/Jeb are an obvious alliance in this game, and we could use them as a shield moving forward at the merge. Sagar will be much harder to target later on.

I'd be prepared about using your idol this round. I have no clue if they are voting for you or Tomas, or if they are being truthful and voting for each other. I'd much rather have you/Tomas play idols tho and we know you guys are 100% safe, then one of you not play an idol and go. Tomas is already going to be playing his idol.

Lemme know what you think! and hopefully we can talk soon

All awhile I've been telling Sagar that we should split the votes between Kim/Jeb.

[2012-11-23 4:09:09 PM] Sagar: So who are you thinking on the vote?
[2012-11-23 4:09:24 PM] Sagar: Im assuming kim? Jeb might play his idol
[2012-11-23 4:09:32 PM] Dave Johnston: I was thinking split votes between the two
[2012-11-23 4:10:08 PM] Sagar: Ah gotcha
[2012-11-23 4:10:27 PM] Dave Johnston: they both can't be safe haha
[2012-11-23 4:10:31 PM] Sagar: And if neither plays, it ties and goes to revote
[2012-11-23 4:10:44 PM] Sagar: And we can just vote out jeb at that point
[2012-11-23 4:11:21 PM] Sagar: I still havent got a chance to talk to tomas/jose...do they know im solid
[2012-11-23 4:11:21 PM] Dave Johnston: exactly
[2012-11-23 4:11:26 PM] Dave Johnston: tomas is on now
[2012-11-23 4:11:33 PM] Dave Johnston: i still haven't fucking talked to jose since the switch
[2012-11-23 4:12:22 PM] Sagar: Alright ill talk to tomas

So really. I'm literally playing all sides on this tribe. Either I'm playing too hard by siding with Jeb/Kim, Sagar and Tomas/Jose or I'm doing the right thing because in reality Jeb/Kim/Sagar are doing the exact same thing with me. This is once again a clusterfuck that I'd like to get out of asap.

[JEB]

Just sayin; I wanted Tomas to use his idol so both he and Sagar would waste theirs and Kim and I vote out Jose. Would've worked if Kims vote was accepted. Bleh. And I really did intend on sticking with you!

[Tomas]

that was a really tough council... if i have to name biggest mystake in this game i would name "using my idol" this night, because i really wasn't sure about vote of you guys (Sagar,Kim,JEB). I could keep him