Round 8 - Rafiki

[Dave]

ROUND 8
Rafiki

Well fuck. The first vote I get all game… is from me? So much for my perfect game. Oh well I can easily just blame it on Sam, or if he claims that he voted Chris I can use it as an excuse to turn or something. I don’t know. Pretend it was all apart of some diabolical master plan. I’M STILL SO FRUSTRATED I SELF-VOTED THO!!! Just a lesson for me for next time. Check and re-check deadlines.

Sorry you got such a shitty deal Chris I shall hopefully talk to you when this game is all said and done! You know I think you're awesome and it just so happens you fell on the wrong side of the numbers with everyone else being immune. On a strategic front it was for the best you were the next one to leave. If I switch this round, there a much less chance that people want to work with Sagar / Sam long term, but I could easily have seen them switch you with me due to your likeability. For some reason everyone else doesn’t like Sagar (I don’t get it, he’s hilarious to me) and Sam isn’t around enough to make people feel comfortable.

I talked to Jose last night and finally decided to spill the beans…

[2012-11-30 1:14:51 AM] Dave: right
[2012-11-30 1:14:59 AM] Dave: which is why I'm fine with switching it up next round
[2012-11-30 1:15:15 AM] Dave: but i'm still not going to let anyone know that
[2012-11-30 1:15:23 AM] Dave: because the moment you give the hint to someone, they spread it
[2012-11-30 1:15:27 AM] Dave: and then i'm just like gahhh
[2012-11-30 1:15:28 AM] Dave: haha
[2012-11-30 1:15:33 AM] Joe: Ok, so we're agreein' that next round we have to mix it up?
[2012-11-30 1:15:38 AM] Dave: mhm
[2012-11-30 1:15:43 AM] Dave: Adrian needs to go
[2012-11-30 1:15:48 AM] Dave: I was going to wait till after this TC
[2012-11-30 1:15:55 AM] Dave: but he told me he wants you out before F5
[2012-11-30 1:16:00 AM] Dave: and I was just like
[2012-11-30 1:16:01 AM] Dave: ummm
[2012-11-30 1:16:02 AM] Dave: no
[2012-11-30 1:16:02 AM] Dave: lol
[2012-11-30 1:16:18 AM] Joe: lol of course it has to be me
[2012-11-30 1:16:32 AM] Dave: i honestly don't get why
[2012-11-30 1:16:35 AM] Dave: when you gave tomas your idol
[2012-11-30 1:16:38 AM] Dave: i thought that was enough to show everyone
[2012-11-30 1:16:40 AM] Dave: hey
[2012-11-30 1:16:45 AM] Dave: we are all going to the end
[2012-11-30 1:16:48 AM] Dave: apparently not
[2012-11-30 1:17:01 AM] Dave: and if adrian is fine with ditching you early, what's going to stop him from doing it to me
[2012-11-30 1:17:02 AM] Dave: ?
[2012-11-30 1:17:25 AM] Joe: that's why I'm honestly not cool with us goin' F5 together, it's gonna be totally predictable
[2012-11-30 1:17:31 AM] Dave: agreed
[2012-11-30 1:17:37 AM] Dave: but i'm not telling sagar/sam I'm helping them
[2012-11-30 1:17:39 AM] Dave: till after immunity
[2012-11-30 1:17:41 AM] Dave: because people talk
[2012-11-30 1:17:43 AM] Dave: and shit changes
[2012-11-30 1:17:57 AM] Dave: I mean I trust you 100%
[2012-11-30 1:17:59 AM] Dave: so i'm telling you what I know now
[2012-11-30 1:18:11 AM] Dave: but i don't trust them to at ALL but they'll be desprate to do anything
[2012-11-30 1:18:15 AM] Joe: exactly. We have to be VERY quiet, the plan's the same, CB's goin' home, next immunity someone wins (hopefully either me or you lol) and BAM!
[2012-11-30 1:18:51 AM] Dave: agreed
[2012-11-30 1:19:07 AM] Dave: what do you want to do after that though?
[2012-11-30 1:19:13 AM] Dave: I was thinking of telling sagar/sam f4 deal
[2012-11-30 1:19:25 AM] Dave: but we really take either ryan/tomas with us to f3
[2012-11-30 1:19:31 AM] Dave: because i don't want sam/sagar anywhere close to the end
[2012-11-30 1:19:49 AM] Dave: cause they'll get the votes from whoever for playing "amazing" or whatever
[2012-11-30 1:19:57 AM] Dave: when really we are doing this because it's best for us, not because they convinced us
[2012-11-30 1:20:41 AM] Joe: the thing is though, if we choose to vote out Adrian, we have to like really get into Tomas/Ryan's minds like "y'all are fine, but with Adrian around, neither of you were gonna win"
[2012-11-30 1:20:51 AM] Dave: do you think that will work?
[2012-11-30 1:20:54 AM] Dave: cause that was my thought process
[2012-11-30 1:20:59 AM] Dave: cause honestly
[2012-11-30 1:21:05 AM] Dave: NONE of us have a chance against adrian
[2012-11-30 1:21:12 AM] Dave: he's literally seen as the leader of all of us
[2012-11-30 1:21:22 AM] Dave: and we are just followers
[2012-11-30 1:21:39 AM] Joe: EXACTLY! that's my point, I mean that's what we have to tell Tomas/Quanz if they get pissed off that we went against one of ours
[2012-11-30 1:21:45 AM] Dave: right
[2012-11-30 1:21:47 AM] Dave: i agree
[2012-11-30 1:22:03 AM] Dave: so would you want adrian gone
[2012-11-30 1:22:07 AM] Dave: then go back with ryan/tomas?
[2012-11-30 1:22:09 AM] Dave: or take out adrian and another mbochi
[2012-11-30 1:22:51 AM] Dave: like if we can make a f3 with either tomas or ryan now
[2012-11-30 1:22:53 AM] Dave: that would be fantastic
[2012-11-30 1:23:29 AM] Joe: Tomas is Adrian's second hand like that's a no brainer. Quanz I have no idea where he's at (no one knows where he's at lol)
[2012-11-30 1:23:35 AM] Dave: yeah
[2012-11-30 1:23:40 AM] Dave: that's kinda scary with him
[2012-11-30 1:23:45 AM] Dave: I just don't know what happens when we take adrian out
[2012-11-30 1:23:56 AM] Dave: do they freak on us and go with sam/sagar?
[2012-11-30 1:24:10 AM] Dave: or do they go 'i understand, he was going to win, lets keep with us to the end'
[2012-11-30 1:25:17 AM] Joe: that's somethin' we'll find out AFTER it happens
[2012-11-30 1:25:24 AM] Joe: but that it's gonna happen, it's goin' to happen
[2012-11-30 1:25:30 AM] Dave: for sure
[2012-11-30 1:25:37 AM] Dave: I just don't want us going 6th/5th
[2012-11-30 1:25:51 AM] Dave: but I really feel if we honestly explain to them it wasn't against them
[2012-11-30 1:26:07 AM] Dave: that if they really thought they could win against adrian, they were being dumb
[2012-11-30 1:26:28 AM] Joe: exactly, we need to plan this the right way and make it work
[2012-11-30 1:26:37 AM] Dave: def agreed
[2012-11-30 1:26:56 AM] Joe: we can't go to Plan b which is Sam/Sagar, we have to stick with Ryan/Tomas and tell them "it's for the best of anyone of us that wants to win"
[2012-11-30 1:27:08 AM] Joe: cause Adrian called all the shots when we were a tribe
[2012-11-30 1:27:14 AM] Dave: he's calling the shots now
[2012-11-30 1:27:17 AM] Dave: still
[2012-11-30 1:27:20 AM] Joe: hell he called all the shots at the last TC as far as i can remember
[2012-11-30 1:27:22 AM] Dave: i mean i love him to death as a friend haha
[2012-11-30 1:27:27 AM] Dave: but i'm here to win too
[2012-11-30 1:27:46 AM] Dave: and if he's willing to take you out soon, then i'm sure he'll take me out too
[2012-11-30 1:29:00 AM] Joe: exactly
[2012-11-30 1:29:20 AM] Joe: like I can tell by the way Adrian/Tomas are together and the strong feeling Quanz is with 'em, that we're #4 & #5
[2012-11-30 1:29:41 AM] Dave: i'm not sure what quanz is up to to be honest
[2012-11-30 1:30:29 AM] Dave: I really think we need to make a f3 deal with one of them though
[2012-11-30 1:30:32 AM] Dave: either tomas or ryan
[2012-11-30 1:31:16 AM] Joe: we can go for ryan
[2012-11-30 1:31:40 AM] Dave: ok, I feel it'd be easy to convince him that tomas/adrian are too tight
[2012-11-30 1:32:24 AM] Joe: exactly
[2012-11-30 1:32:54 AM] Joe: but we have to do this next round, to avoid any secret talk
[2012-11-30 1:33:17 AM] Dave: oh yeah for sure
[2012-11-30 1:33:23 AM] Dave: i'm saying after the challenge
[2012-11-30 1:33:43 AM] Dave: cause if Adrian wins immunity idk if we should vote out tomas
[2012-11-30 1:33:51 AM] Dave: i'm not really worried about tomas
[2012-11-30 1:33:54 AM] Dave: i'm worried about adrian
[2012-11-30 1:34:29 AM] Joe: exactly, let's see the outcome of the challenge. if Adrian wins, we stay with our five. But we really have to step it up next challenge, make sure he doesn't win
[2012-11-30 1:34:40 AM] Dave: i'm with you there
[2012-11-30 1:34:57 AM] Dave: i think that sounds like a plan to me
[2012-11-30 1:35:07 AM] Dave: cause i think at f5 we could convince ryan to vote with yus
[2012-11-30 1:35:09 AM] Dave: *us
[2012-11-30 1:35:17 AM] Dave: cause if he doesn't he's going to get 3rd lol
[2012-11-30 1:35:21 AM] Dave: i mean he's getting 3rd anyways
[2012-11-30 1:35:24 AM] Dave: lol
[2012-11-30 1:35:27 AM] Dave: but he doesn't need to know tha
[2012-11-30 1:35:29 AM] Dave: t
[2012-11-30 1:36:03 AM] Joe: lol exactly
[2012-11-30 1:36:19 AM] Joe: oh and we can't make it obvious that we have a F2 deal
[2012-11-30 1:36:29 AM] Dave: agreed
[2012-11-30 1:43:37 AM] Dave: i don't think people think that
[2012-11-30 1:43:43 AM] Dave: everyone just thinks your 5th
[2012-11-30 1:45:10 AM] Joe: yeah

And so it begins. I'm not really looking forward to this round. This isn't going to be fun.

[Dave]

Oh geeze. Of course Adrian makes it to the final round. How on earth did Sam/Adrian make it in 5 guesses? Good job boys.

This puts me at a dilemma if Adrian wins this immunity challenge. He's the only Mbochi member that I feel threatened by. I'm not worried about being able to beat Tomas/Ryan/Jose at the F2 because I feel I've played a stronger social game than they have. So I have no need to take any of them out. I'm not going to make a "big move" for the sake of making a big move. Especially if it betrays Adrian who is easily capable, and will definitely turn the tables on me. I honestly believe I can convince at least one of Ryan/Tomas that it was a move that had to be made for any of us to have a chance to win, but what the hell do I say to Adrian if I take out Ryan/Tomas? Yeah... got nothing there.

I guess the question becomes will me making a "move" that helps the Americans, actually help me gain all four of their jury votes? And if I make that move this round with Adrian still around... can I still make it to the end? Can I still make it to the end even if I take out Adrian this round? Will making a move make it too obvious to the other guys that I'm playing for jury votes? I need to think about it.

[Dave]

Whoa hold the phones. Little Ryan has the same idea as me to take out Adrian? Yay! You just saved me a butt load of trouble and saved me from losing Tomas/Adrian's jury votes. Sorry that I got to Jose first though and he told me all about it. Nice try making me get 6th tho. Ain't happening.

[2012-12-01 12:11:28 AM] Joe Martinez: ok so here's the deal
[2012-12-01 12:11:41 AM] Joe Martinez: I'll tell ya here cause you're the only one online out of the 3 so haha
[2012-12-01 12:11:53 AM] Dave Johnston: ok sounds good lol
[2012-12-01 12:11:54 AM] Joe Martinez: Quanz wants to make a big move this round
[2012-12-01 12:12:09 AM] Dave Johnston: interesting
[2012-12-01 12:12:16 AM] Joe Martinez: yeah but wait it gets juicy lol
[2012-12-01 12:12:20 AM] Dave Johnston: haha ok
[2012-12-01 12:12:37 AM] Joe Martinez: He wants Adrian out....then he wants YOU out, then Tomas out. He wants to make a F4 with Sagar/Sam
[2012-12-01 12:12:48 AM] Joe Martinez: so basically he wants to flip
[2012-12-01 12:13:15 AM] Dave Johnston: but that's so dumb
[2012-12-01 12:13:31 AM] Dave Johnston: I understand taking out two of us
[2012-12-01 12:13:38 AM] Dave Johnston: but the 3rd?
[2012-12-01 12:13:44 AM] Joe Martinez: he said he wants to make a game changer
[2012-12-01 12:13:58 AM] Joe Martinez: but his "game changer" gives the other two enemies a run for the win again lol
[2012-12-01 12:14:03 AM] Dave Johnston: yeah exactly
[2012-12-01 12:14:07 AM] Dave Johnston: has he already talked to sagar/sam?
[2012-12-01 12:14:12 AM] Joe Martinez: yes!
[2012-12-01 12:14:16 AM] Dave Johnston: damn
[2012-12-01 12:14:23 AM] Joe Martinez: they pulled me in and everythin'
[2012-12-01 12:14:27 AM] Dave Johnston: and he wants you
[2012-12-01 12:14:40 AM] Joe Martinez: and i'm like "cute, love it, master, this is gonna be great", and in my head I'm like "no, no, never, nope" ll
[2012-12-01 12:14:41 AM] Joe Martinez: lol
[2012-12-01 12:14:43 AM] Dave Johnston: hahaha
[2012-12-01 12:14:56 AM] Dave Johnston: I mean let's think about this
[2012-12-01 12:14:59 AM] Dave Johnston: if adrian goes first
[2012-12-01 12:15:08 AM] Dave Johnston: can we turn it around?
[2012-12-01 12:15:15 AM] Dave Johnston: cause tomas has a block vote
[2012-12-01 12:15:30 AM] Dave Johnston: so it'd be ryan/sam/sagar me/you/tomas
[2012-12-01 12:15:34 AM] Joe Martinez: it would force a tie, cause its F6
[2012-12-01 12:15:43 AM] Dave Johnston: but tomas can block a vote right?
[2012-12-01 12:16:13 AM] Joe Martinez: but if Adrian wins immunity, Quanz wants Tom out
[2012-12-01 12:16:19 AM] Dave Johnston: ah
[2012-12-01 12:16:24 AM] Joe Martinez: Ryan Quanz 8:15 PM
So if I'm correct the plan is: Vote out Adrian, if he wins vote out Tom. Me and Joe will answer like the way we did at TC last week like you guys don't have a hope
[2012-12-01 12:16:37 AM] Joe Martinez: that's what he said in the group chat with Sam/Sagar
[2012-12-01 12:16:43 AM] Dave Johnston: well that's good for me at least lol
[2012-12-01 12:16:45 AM] Dave Johnston: but hm
[2012-12-01 12:17:18 AM] Joe Martinez: nope, cause if Tomas goes what happens to his block vote? We're gonna force tie at F6?
[2012-12-01 12:17:40 AM] Dave Johnston: yeah that doesn't work for us
[2012-12-01 12:17:44 AM] Joe Martinez: If we're gonna make a move dave it has to be this round, because this is where someone's the swing vote, and that swing vote is obviously me in their eyes
[2012-12-01 12:18:01 AM] Dave Johnston: right
[2012-12-01 12:18:07 AM] Dave Johnston: if adrian wins immunity though
[2012-12-01 12:18:09 AM] Dave Johnston: what do we do?
[2012-12-01 12:18:17 AM] Dave Johnston: because if we take out tomas
[2012-12-01 12:18:23 AM] Dave Johnston: i'm pretty much next
[2012-12-01 12:18:27 AM] Dave Johnston: and i can't do anything
[2012-12-01 12:18:36 AM] Joe Martinez: breaks my heart....but we're gonna have to pull the trigger, on the guy who's tryin' to tear us apart lol
[2012-12-01 12:18:46 AM] Dave Johnston: on ryan?
[2012-12-01 12:18:55 AM] Joe Martinez: yeap
[2012-12-01 12:18:59 AM] Joe Martinez: sounds...wrong i know
[2012-12-01 12:19:04 AM] Dave Johnston: omg I'm so dumb
[2012-12-01 12:19:07 AM] Dave Johnston: lmao
[2012-12-01 12:19:08 AM] Dave Johnston: I was like how...?
[2012-12-01 12:19:10 AM] Dave Johnston: but me/you/tomas/adrian
[2012-12-01 12:19:15 AM] Dave Johnston: duh
[2012-12-01 12:19:28 AM] Joe Martinez: but it's like, if we give him this opportunity to make a move and give Sam/Sagar another chance to win, I'm not here for this
[2012-12-01 12:19:37 AM] Dave Johnston: yeah
[2012-12-01 12:19:40 AM] Joe Martinez: we've worked too hard to get here to give 'em another run
[2012-12-01 12:19:43 AM] Dave Johnston: we need to make a move so we can get in the f2
[2012-12-01 12:19:47 AM] Dave Johnston: not so sagar/sam can get into the f2
[2012-12-01 12:19:49 AM] Dave Johnston: hell no
[2012-12-01 12:20:03 AM] Joe Martinez: exactly
[2012-12-01 12:20:13 AM] Dave Johnston: i'm 100% down with that
[2012-12-01 12:20:19 AM] Dave Johnston: I say take out Ryan if Adrian wins
[2012-12-01 12:20:25 AM] Dave Johnston: and I'm ok still if Adrian goes if Sam wins
[2012-12-01 12:20:29 AM] Dave Johnston: cause we'd have that block vote
[2012-12-01 12:21:59 AM] Joe Martinez: now, ok let's say Adrian's out
[2012-12-01 12:22:07 AM] Joe Martinez: we have you/me/Tomas and Quanz/Sam/Sagar
[2012-12-01 12:22:11 AM] Dave Johnston: right
[2012-12-01 12:22:40 AM] Joe Martinez: Tomas blocks one vote and that would make the vote 3-2 (+1 annulled)
[2012-12-01 12:22:53 AM] Dave Johnston: so it'd become me/you/tomas vs. two of them
[2012-12-01 12:23:04 AM] Dave Johnston: just pick the other two off
[2012-12-01 12:23:07 AM] Dave Johnston: me/you/tomas f3
[2012-12-01 12:23:10 AM] Dave Johnston: one of us wins immunity
[2012-12-01 12:23:13 AM] Dave Johnston: boo yah
[2012-12-01 12:23:14 AM] Dave Johnston: haha
[2012-12-01 12:23:18 AM] Joe Martinez: haha amen!
[2012-12-01 12:23:38 AM] Dave Johnston: I mean that works out in my head
[2012-12-01 12:23:47 AM] Dave Johnston: because if ryan is the one to backstab adrian
[2012-12-01 12:23:53 AM] Dave Johnston: tomas will still trust me
[2012-12-01 12:24:00 AM] Dave Johnston: compared to me being the one doing it
[2012-12-01 12:24:23 AM] Joe Martinez: now you know that because we're 7, it would have to be 2 of us backstabbing adrian lol
[2012-12-01 12:24:33 AM] Dave Johnston: right
[2012-12-01 12:24:57 AM] Dave Johnston: but whoever doesn't vote out adrian will still have tomas' trust
[2012-12-01 12:24:59 AM] Dave Johnston: is what i'm trying to say
[2012-12-01 12:25:18 AM] Dave Johnston: so he'll trust that person word when they say we have a plan to save you lol
[2012-12-01 12:25:31 AM] Joe Martinez: oh ok,now i hear ya
[2012-12-01 12:26:19 AM] Dave Johnston: it's nice to know though that we weren't the only ones thinking Adrian had to go
[2012-12-01 12:26:20 AM] Dave Johnston: hahaha
[2012-12-01 12:26:34 AM] Joe Martinez: ahaha i know!
[2012-12-01 12:27:37 AM] Dave Johnston: like before we talked
[2012-12-01 12:27:39 AM] Dave Johnston: I have in my confessoinal
[2012-12-01 12:27:48 AM] Dave Johnston: does no one else on mbochi see adrian will win hands down!?!?
[2012-12-01 12:27:49 AM] Dave Johnston: haha
[2012-12-01 12:27:59 AM] Dave Johnston: like he literally gets all the credit for everything we do
[2012-12-01 12:28:29 AM] Joe Martinez: haha so true!!
[2012-12-01 12:29:10 AM] Joe Martinez: and we're all his "puppets" according to everyone
[2012-12-01 12:29:18 AM] Dave Johnston: yeah, which is so annoying
[2012-12-01 12:29:21 AM] Dave Johnston: but w/e
[2012-12-01 12:29:31 AM] Dave Johnston: no matter what happens this round...
[2012-12-01 12:29:30 AM] Joe Martinez: EXTREMELY annoyin! haha
[2012-12-01 12:29:39 AM] Dave Johnston: i don't think anyone is going to see this one coming on the jury
[2012-12-01 12:29:40 AM] Dave Johnston: haha
[2012-12-01 12:29:59 AM] Dave Johnston: and yeah, I'm like 'hi I have a brain too' just because it's smart for us right now not to stand out
[2012-12-01 12:30:03 AM] Dave Johnston: doesn't mean we are brainless
[2012-12-01 12:30:46 AM] Joe Martinez: hahaha amen to that, I'm all for a big move this time
[2012-12-01 12:30:53 AM] Dave Johnston: I think it has to be done
[2012-12-01 12:30:57 AM] Dave Johnston: well I KNOW it does
[2012-12-01 12:31:23 AM] Dave Johnston: did you still want to tell adrian/tomas what you know?
[2012-12-01 12:31:44 AM] Dave Johnston: you'll gain their trust 100% by doing that
[2012-12-01 12:31:46 AM] Joe Martinez: I deleted the group conversation, I'm gonna wait until who wins immunity
[2012-12-01 12:31:50 AM] Dave Johnston: ok
[2012-12-01 12:31:52 AM] Dave Johnston: sounds good
[2012-12-01 12:31:59 AM] Dave Johnston: if they ask just say sagar/sam tried to get you to switch
[2012-12-01 12:32:01 AM] Dave Johnston: or something
[2012-12-01 12:32:04 AM] Joe Martinez: If Adrian wins, strike away i'll do
[2012-12-01 12:32:08 AM] Dave Johnston: kk
[2012-12-01 12:32:11 AM] Dave Johnston: sounds perfect
[2012-12-01 12:32:17 AM] Joe Martinez: but if he doesn't.....i'll think about it lol
[2012-12-01 12:32:38 AM] Dave Johnston: yeah I mean there's no point in letting him know
[2012-12-01 12:32:42 AM] Dave Johnston: cause he'll confront ryan
[2012-12-01 12:32:52 AM] Joe Martinez: exactly
[2012-12-01 12:33:09 AM] Dave Johnston: and then ryan will confront you / may change it up / who knows
[2012-12-01 12:33:17 AM] Dave Johnston: and yeah
[2012-12-01 12:33:25 AM] Joe Martinez: exactly, so if he doesn't win, not the best thing to talk about lol
[2012-12-01 12:33:31 AM] Dave Johnston: agreed haha
[2012-12-01 12:35:23 AM] Dave Johnston: so much for going to ask ryan if he wanted to f3 with me/you
[2012-12-01 12:35:24 AM] Dave Johnston: lmao
[2012-12-01 12:35:37 AM] Joe Martinez: lol yeah that plan is nixed lol
[2012-12-01 12:35:41 AM] Dave Johnston: haha it happens
[2012-12-01 12:35:53 AM] Dave Johnston: tomas is just as good, i don't think he's that good at individual challenges tbh
[2012-12-01 12:36:06 AM] Joe Martinez: hahah
[2012-12-01 12:36:15 AM] Dave Johnston: i was just worried about keeping tomas around with adrian there
[2012-12-01 12:36:25 AM] Joe Martinez: oh btw, i have a power, I can sit someone out at a challenge of my choice until F5
[2012-12-01 12:36:37 AM] Dave Johnston: omg yesss
[2012-12-01 12:36:43 AM] Dave Johnston: LOL THAT'S SO PERFECT
[2012-12-01 12:36:53 AM] Dave Johnston: we take out adrian
[2012-12-01 12:36:54 AM] Dave Johnston: then ryan
[2012-12-01 12:36:57 AM] Dave Johnston: then whoever isn't safe of sam/sagar
[2012-12-01 12:37:00 AM] Dave Johnston: sit the other out
[2012-12-01 12:37:06 AM] Dave Johnston: oh wait
[2012-12-01 12:37:09 AM] Dave Johnston: that's f4
[2012-12-01 12:37:11 AM] Dave Johnston: damn it
[2012-12-01 12:37:12 AM] Dave Johnston: lmao
[2012-12-01 12:37:13 AM] Dave Johnston: NVM
[2012-12-01 12:37:14 AM] Joe Martinez: LOL
[2012-12-01 12:37:29 AM] Dave Johnston: it was almost perfect
[2012-12-01 12:37:30 AM] Dave Johnston: haha
[2012-12-01 12:37:59 AM] Dave Johnston: you can sit out whoever you want lol
[2012-12-01 12:38:21 AM] Joe Martinez: yeah whoever I want, have two rounds to use it
[2012-12-01 12:38:35 AM] Joe Martinez: btw you won a mystery item? what was it?
[2012-12-01 12:38:46 AM] Dave Johnston: oh! I posted it in the group chat
[2012-12-01 12:38:47 AM] Dave Johnston: but
[2012-12-01 12:38:48 AM] Dave Johnston: I can see someone's vote before TC
[2012-12-01 12:38:53 AM] Dave Johnston: have to use before f5 too
[2012-12-01 12:39:04 AM] Joe Martinez: hmm that's a good one
[2012-12-01 12:39:07 AM] Dave Johnston: yeah, it's no idol
[2012-12-01 12:39:09 AM] Dave Johnston: but it ain't bad
[2012-12-01 12:39:26 AM] Dave Johnston: if we get sketched that someone isn't being truthful
[2012-12-01 12:39:27 AM] Dave Johnston: i can play it on them
[2012-12-01 12:39:39 AM] Joe Martinez: ...Ryan lol
[2012-12-01 12:39:45 AM] Dave Johnston: hahaha yeah :X
[2012-12-01 12:40:01 AM] Joe Martinez: as far as who I could sit out, it would be Sagar/Sam/Adrian. those are the 3
[2012-12-01 12:40:14 AM] Joe Martinez: would*
[2012-12-01 12:41:19 AM] Dave Johnston: yea
[2012-12-01 12:41:27 AM] Dave Johnston: I'd personally save it till F5
[2012-12-01 12:41:34 AM] Dave Johnston: just cause you can hit whoever the biggest threat is then
[2012-12-01 12:41:36 AM] Dave Johnston: or well
[2012-12-01 12:41:39 AM] Dave Johnston: i guess it doesn't matter
[2012-12-01 12:41:47 AM] Dave Johnston: the person would be hit regardless wouldn't they lol
[2012-12-01 12:42:05 AM] Joe Martinez: haha yeah
[2012-12-01 12:42:27 AM] Dave Johnston: ok so if adrian wins immunity
[2012-12-01 12:42:29 AM] Dave Johnston: and we turn on ryan
[2012-12-01 12:42:36 AM] Dave Johnston: what's the next step
[2012-12-01 12:42:46 AM] Dave Johnston: side with sagar/sam if adrian doesn't win again?
[2012-12-01 12:42:57 AM] Dave Johnston: or stick with tomas/adrian till f5
[2012-12-01 12:43:01 AM] Dave Johnston: and get american to vote with us
[2012-12-01 12:44:50 AM] Joe Martinez: next round it has to be either Sam/Sagar
[2012-12-01 12:45:21 AM] Joe Martinez: because if we go F5, three of us and two of 'em, they might work on Tomas to flip and then we're in danger
[2012-12-01 12:46:16 AM] Dave Johnston: ah yeah that's def true
[2012-12-01 12:46:23 AM] Dave Johnston: and then at F5 you can force Adrian to sit out
[2012-12-01 12:46:28 AM] Dave Johnston: so we can vote him out anyways
[2012-12-01 12:47:04 AM] Joe Martinez: exactly
[2012-12-01 12:47:50 AM] Dave Johnston: I like how things work out haha
[2012-12-01 12:48:14 AM] Joe Martinez: this is where it gets real haha
[2012-12-01 12:48:36 AM] Dave Johnston: for sure, we've had our fun as a group
[2012-12-01 12:48:47 AM] Dave Johnston: but really only two of us can make f2
[2012-12-01 12:48:50 AM] Dave Johnston: and it's going to be us lol

It's kind of hilarious how Jose has been my target since the second round, but now I've got to put my trust in him to get me to the end. If he's playing me, and I'm just being used to take out Adrian, bravo! I think he's being legit... for now at least.

Assuming Jose isn't lying to me about going to the end. If Adrian doesn't win immunity that is PERFECT for me. Ryan/Jose/Sam/Sagar will make the move to take out Adrian and I will be devastated. Tomas and I will bitch bitch bitch bitch about the others. Sagar/Sam will prob gloat in my face that I should have made a move with them and that I'm next. I'll tell Tomas that it's now me and him to the very end and that we will make it through this. I pull Jose back in and Tomas uses his block vote and Ryan/Sam/Sagar will go in a 3-2 vote. This way I can have my ideal f3 of Jose/Tomas/Myself with both people taking me to the end if they win.

If Adrian does win immunity, well my hands will still have to get a little dirty, but oh well. Still can make it to the end.

[Dave]

Ok. I'm fucking livid. There's one thing to copy and paste people's convos to try to get them to turn, but I call fucking bullshit when YOU PHOTOSHOP AN ENTIRE FUCKING CHAT.

i.imgur.com/X03aW.png

I never fucking had that chat. I wouldn't be a fucking idiot to say any of that shit, and the fact that someone's trying to fuck up my game with nothing but fucking lies THAT I CAN'T EVEN DEFEND AGAINST. IS SO FUCKING STUPID.

I THINK WHAT'S EVEN MORE DUMB IS THAT PEOPLE LIKE RYAN FUCKING BELIEVED IT. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

Seriously Sagar that is lowest fucking thing I've ever seen someone do in a game like this to me. I've been nothing but respectful to you this entire game, and you do that? Seriously, fuck you. I was actually feeling sorry about how this game was turning out for you, but not now. I'm going to fucking enjoy watching you leave this round. Try to fuck me over? Hahahahaha no.

#OTTNN

[Dave]

Ok I’ve calmed down now. Still peeved at Sagar for doing that, but when you’re desperate you do desperate things I guess. Never would I ever do that to someone else, but whatever. Can’t expect everyone to think and play like me.

I’m now much more nervous about how this round is going to go because the target could fall on me after the bullshit screenshot (who screenshots Sykpe chats btw? It’s called copy/paste for legit chats people). The target of Ryan/Sam/Sagar should however still be on Adrian. Yeah, I’m a pretty big social threat but Adrian would even beat me in the finals.

It really all depends what Jose wants to do. He says he still trusts me, but now I just don’t know. Adrian/Tomas/Jose/I should be taking out Sagar. I won’t be shocked to see me going though. I’d be a little hurt that Jose lied to me about it for absolutely zero reason, but I won’t be shocked. I am hopeful to think that if Jose wanted to betray me he wouldn’t have come to me with the fake screen shot. I don’t know though. I just don’t know.

I think in my tunnel vision of thinking that Adrian is going to win the game if someone didn’t take him out, I don’t realize that once Adrian is gone, I’M the next big threat to win. So I actually need to keep Adrian around as long as possible. Jose let it slip that he believed Sagar would vote for me at the end and that hints to me that Jose wouldn’t be afraid to vote me out / won’t take me the f2.

My strategy this round? It’s been the exact same strategy I’ve been using all game. So, no point deviating from it now. I’m keeping my damn mouth shut, acting dumb like I don’t know anything is going on, and letting other people shoot themselves in the foot. Me not running around with my head cut off should show Jose/Adrian/Tomas that I’m trustworthy and that I’m not the person that should go right now.

Sagar will hopefully be going, Ryan will look like a rat and I should hopefully be in an ok position moving forward. Let’s find out if anything changes in the next little while.

[Dave]

Actually I thought logically about this with Jose. I think the best game decision for me is to vote out Ryan. Our pow wow:

[2012-12-01 10:03:13 PM] Joe Martinez: yeah
[2012-12-01 10:04:34 PM] Joe Martinez: I'm right now thinkin' about the vote...god so many scenarios
[2012-12-01 10:05:40 PM] Dave Johnston: ok well do you want talk the scenarios out?
[2012-12-01 10:05:47 PM] Dave Johnston: find out which is the best for us
[2012-12-01 10:08:17 PM] Joe Martinez: ok there's scene #1: Vote out Adrian cause he's the biggest threat (it would be a vote 5-2 prob.)
[2012-12-01 10:08:43 PM] Joe Martinez: scene #2: Vote out Sagar which throws Quanz under the bus (vote 4-3)
[2012-12-01 10:09:17 PM] Joe Martinez: scene #3: Backdoor Quanz with a vote 4-3, which is like so out there because no one really expects it
[2012-12-01 10:09:39 PM] Joe Martinez: I think those are it
[2012-12-01 10:10:13 PM] Dave Johnston: ok, so for #1
[2012-12-01 10:10:17 PM] Dave Johnston: if we take out Adrian
[2012-12-01 10:10:25 PM] Dave Johnston: we have angry Tomas who is mad at everyone
[2012-12-01 10:10:45 PM] Dave Johnston: Ryan/Sagar/Sam would assume they are in control
[2012-12-01 10:11:00 PM] Dave Johnston: when really you have all the power lol
[2012-12-01 10:11:54 PM] Joe Martinez: true, but we would have angry Tomas so that nixes any plans to work with him again
[2012-12-01 10:12:03 PM] Dave Johnston: Unless I don't vote for Adrian
[2012-12-01 10:12:08 PM] Dave Johnston: then Tomas would still trust me
[2012-12-01 10:12:20 PM] Dave Johnston: which would then give you the option to either stick with ryan/sagar/sam
[2012-12-01 10:12:24 PM] Dave Johnston: who would take out me and tomas
[2012-12-01 10:12:31 PM] Dave Johnston: or you can side with tomas/i/blockvote and we take the rest out
[2012-12-01 10:12:45 PM] Joe Martinez: exactly, that would be the plan F6 if we go with scene #1
[2012-12-01 10:13:02 PM] Dave Johnston: ok so option #2 is take out Sagar
[2012-12-01 10:13:09 PM] Dave Johnston: you'd still have tomas/adrian's trust
[2012-12-01 10:13:17 PM] Dave Johnston: their attention would be 100% on Ryan
[2012-12-01 10:14:28 PM] Joe Martinez: ..ok, although that would make it very predictable cause you know, Kwele sitting ducks stuff
[2012-12-01 10:14:35 PM] Dave Johnston: right
[2012-12-01 10:14:44 PM] Dave Johnston: but we could either vote with sam/ryan that round
[2012-12-01 10:14:52 PM] Dave Johnston: or side with adrian/tomas based on how things go
[2012-12-01 10:15:17 PM] Joe Martinez: uh-huh. we would be basically swing votes
[2012-12-01 10:15:58 PM] Dave Johnston: except no one would really know that
[2012-12-01 10:16:21 PM] Dave Johnston: I feel Adrian/Tomas wouldn't even think of targeting us
[2012-12-01 10:16:29 PM] Dave Johnston: and Sam/Ryan would come to us and convince us that one of them has to go
[2012-12-01 10:16:51 PM] Dave Johnston: I feel our names wouldn't come up as a target in that situation, as I can't see Ryan/Sam going to Adrian/Tomas to vote me/you
[2012-12-01 10:16:52 PM] Joe Martinez: they would come to you though, they wouldn't come to me cause I screwed 'em over for voting out Sagar
[2012-12-01 10:17:30 PM] Dave Johnston: true that's fair. do you think they'd go to tomas/adrian to vote me or you out?
[2012-12-01 10:17:37 PM] Dave Johnston: and do you think tomas/adrian would be willing to do it
[2012-12-01 10:18:10 PM] Joe Martinez: oh absolutely
[2012-12-01 10:18:22 PM] Joe Martinez: ...but they can't. let's go to scene #3 and i'll explain
[2012-12-01 10:18:25 PM] Dave Johnston: ok haha
[2012-12-01 10:18:34 PM] Dave Johnston: #3 ryan goes
[2012-12-01 10:19:04 PM] Dave Johnston: oh crap I think I forgot to tell you something
[2012-12-01 10:19:05 PM] Dave Johnston: but you might already know it
[2012-12-01 10:19:16 PM] Dave Johnston: shit let me look at my logs
[2012-12-01 10:19:23 PM] Joe Martinez: lol ok
[2012-12-01 10:19:56 PM] Dave Johnston: yeah Adrian/Tomas already know about Ryan flipping
[2012-12-01 10:20:07 PM] Dave Johnston: there's a f4 of tomas/ryan/sam/sagar
[2012-12-01 10:20:12 PM] Dave Johnston: but tomas isn't in it for real
[2012-12-01 10:20:17 PM] Dave Johnston: idk if you know that or not
[2012-12-01 10:20:37 PM] Joe Martinez: ok that's two things lol
[2012-12-01 10:20:41 PM] Joe Martinez: I know the first one not the second
[2012-12-01 10:20:47 PM] Dave Johnston: kk
[2012-12-01 10:20:51 PM] Dave Johnston: well now you know haha
[2012-12-01 10:21:25 PM] Joe Martinez: yeah I know about Adrian/Tomas cause I told them, they were gettin' suspicious that I was gonna be the one to flip lol
[2012-12-01 10:21:35 PM] Dave Johnston: ah ok fair enough
[2012-12-01 10:21:36 PM] Joe Martinez: and I'm "no my friend, but that's someone else"
[2012-12-01 10:21:45 PM] Dave Johnston: haha good call
[2012-12-01 10:22:05 PM] Joe Martinez: plus I was gonna explain if Ryan/Sam try to throw me under the bus F6, they can't do it, cause Adrian/Tomas already know about their plan
[2012-12-01 10:22:23 PM] Dave Johnston: right
[2012-12-01 10:22:37 PM] Dave Johnston: that's very true
[2012-12-01 10:23:15 PM] Dave Johnston: taking out Ryan now would make this game less 'predictable'
[2012-12-01 10:24:14 PM] Joe Martinez: which is the main idea, to ensure the jury "Hello, we are playin' a game over here!" lol
[2012-12-01 10:24:17 PM] Dave Johnston: haha exactly
[2012-12-01 10:24:21 PM] Dave Johnston: and really it forces Adrian/Tomas to never vote us out
[2012-12-01 10:24:28 PM] Dave Johnston: because they can't stand sam/sagar
[2012-12-01 10:24:29 PM] Dave Johnston: lmao
[2012-12-01 10:24:58 PM] Dave Johnston: my only concern about taking out ryan
[2012-12-01 10:25:07 PM] Dave Johnston: is that sagar/adrian are waaay bigger threats at immunity
[2012-12-01 10:25:28 PM] Joe Martinez: Dave...sittin' out item
[2012-12-01 10:25:39 PM] Dave Johnston: duh
[2012-12-01 10:25:40 PM] Dave Johnston: lmao
[2012-12-01 10:25:43 PM] Joe Martinez: one of them wins we take out the other, next round I don't let the other person win
[2012-12-01 10:25:54 PM] Dave Johnston: oh then let's take out ryan
[2012-12-01 10:25:54 PM] Dave Johnston: lmfao
[2012-12-01 10:26:01 PM] Dave Johnston: I'm ready to change things up
[2012-12-01 10:26:27 PM] Joe Martinez: all right then it's settled. We just need to confirm with Adrian/Tomas what's goin' on, you know to get the 4 votes
[2012-12-01 10:26:51 PM] Dave Johnston: sounds good!
[2012-12-01 10:27:16 PM] Dave Johnston: They can't be against that plan seeing I'm assuming they are voting Adrian/Me out
[2012-12-01 10:28:55 PM] Joe Martinez: well let's just go with them voting Adrian out
[2012-12-01 10:29:03 PM] Joe Martinez: that makes it more believable
[2012-12-01 10:29:21 PM] Dave Johnston: I hope sagar/sam are targetting adrian and not me haha
[2012-12-01 10:30:20 PM] Joe Martinez: haha don't worry, they're targetting adrian
[2012-12-01 10:30:24 PM] Joe Martinez: plus they don't even have the votes
[2012-12-01 10:30:44 PM] Dave Johnston: haha I know, but them targetting Adrian means Adrian trusts us more
[2012-12-01 10:32:04 PM] Joe Martinez: which is the idea, Adrian gainin' our trust and knownin' were not just puppets lol
[2012-12-01 10:32:25 PM] Dave Johnston: yup! I think it checks off everything we wanted to do this round
[2012-12-01 10:32:52 PM] Dave Johnston: keeps the targets off us, shows that we have brains too, and keeps the trust of people we need moving forward
[2012-12-01 10:34:45 PM] Joe Martinez: yeah exactly
[2012-12-01 10:35:03 PM] Joe Martinez: and to this I say: amen! haha

I have no clue why Jose would be willing to talk to me about all of this unless he was being legit with me. Seeing Sagar/Sam/Ryan's amazing approach to dealing with me this round has been to ignore my conversations with them or reply with one word answers. Good job you three. I wasn't even talking game with you. Anyways, I think I'm still good this round. That's all that matters.

[Sam]

I think in my tunnel vision of thinking that Adrian is going to win the game if someone didn’t take him out, I don’t realize that once Adrian is gone, I’M the next big threat to win. So I actually need to keep Adrian around as long as possible.

This is very astute. However, "So I actually need to keep Adrian around as long as possible" is not the only strategy to follow from your correct premises. The more traditional strategy in that situation is "So I need to get future jury members to dislike me by either insulting or backstabbing them." Early merge is the perfect time to backstab jurors because once the Final 2 comes around, it's been 1-3 weeks since your backstab so the sting has worn off.

It makes you look good to people in the game that jurors might not like you by backstabbing early jurors, but jurors actually don't feel that way when the final vote comes around. Because it's been awhile. Plus then you get carried a little from Final 6-Final 3 and make other players backstab people during those votes, which jurors WILL remember clearly because it's more recent.


Also on another note while I'm here.

I found it genius with Dave's strategy of waiting until the absolute last minute to make plans and moves throughout the merge. Dave would always wait until after immunity to make his voting plans, and sometimes would wait until the last day to confirm things. This gives him time to hear everyone else's thoughts, not have his own strategies spread around to others, and not allow others to react to his decisions. It sounds like a good strategy for someone in a majority alliance.


But every strategy has its downsides, and the more I think about it, there are several downsides. First, others can make plots and plans before you if you wait. They could be one step ahead of you.

Second, you don't build up trust or a feeling of being in a group if you spring things on them last minute. Dave had an opportunity to build up strategic trust with me at the Final 6 Tribal Council when we were going to vote together for the first time to oust Adrian. Instead he waited until 5 minutes before the vote and we just coincidentally voted together. (that's not all his fault lol, mostly it was bad hosting with giving only 10 minutes to vote after a surprise TC.)


Still though, had he told me earlier, we could have made an alliance and had the feeling of "working together" for a few days. That would have made me bond with him, and thinking that we were together. Dave could have used that in the future to prevent me from voting for him (or being less likely to at least).

Telling me we were going to vote out Adrian early is a risk for sure, that I could spill. But Dave knew the situation Sagar and I were in and knew that spilling would not be to our advantage, so I think it would have been a worthwhile risk. Plus Adrian/Tomas were a scary duo.

Instead, after the F6 vote, I felt no connection to Dave whatsoever. And instead of building on our partnership during the F5 round after the fact, Dave didn't cement anything real or fake with me, which was even worse.


So while I think the "wait until the last minute to decide" how to vote strategy has its advantages, I think it has a lot of disadvantages too. Maybe it is best used in early merge when there are lots of people and new things keep flying around all the time? But maybe not so much at late merge when there are less people and you want them all to feel connected to you? I'm not sure.

[Sam]

Oh another negative is that if you want to flip, but you never mention or hint at wanting to flip to anyone, then they will instead work against you rather than with you. (sagar and the screenshot at f7, lol)

[Adrian]

Hey, Sam, I don't think the 10 minutes prep for tribal council was bad hosting at all. It was a twist to the game. I thought it made for a fun twist and kept us on our toes - and I should be the one most livid about it seeing as I went home that round. There have been many "on the fly" tribal councils in Survivor history, so I think good job to the hosts for making it fun down the road.