José's Questions/Statements

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José, please post your Questions/Statements to Sam & Tomas here.

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[Jose Luis "Joe"]

*Enters*


Hello Tomas & Sam. Congrats to both of you for making it to the Final 2. Y'all manage to survive every single chaotic, predictable, unpredictable, surprising moment that this season had, and to that I applaud both of you.

Tomas:
- My fellow Mbochi friend. I must admit, I don't think anyone expected you to be sitting in the finals, then again no one thought either one of us would make F3 lol
You talked about your relationship with Adrian and how that helped before the merge, and also about remaining loyal to your alliance members, but in game moves, I do think you were weak on that this season. I may be wrong I don't know. Oh and by the way, "Convincing me" to vote for Dave is not really a true fact, that was a decision I made as a player, but nice try tryin' to take credit for it

Anyway, my questions for you are the following:

1 - Name the THREE key moves you made by yourself in this game
2 - Explain "Why will you use your idol tonight"





Sam:
To me, you played an incredibly under the radar game. Like you said, and many people will agree, you had no idea what was going on with the votes, or with Tribal Councils sometimes (I know, finals can be a bitch ) but you had time to win immunity challenges, nothing stopped you from doin' that. (The 4 immunity wins are proof)

I can't say your social game was on the spot, because of the times we talked, you mentioned how you didn't talk to Sagar, or Dave, or how Tomas had a big time difference, or how you really didn't know much about what was going on each round.

As far as strategy, well, I will admit your strategy that "As long as it ain't me", is one of the main reasons why you're in the F2 (that and the immunity wins)

The last round I played, you talked about having a hard time choosing who to take to the F2. Deep down, I felt that you already had made up your mind to take Tomas to the end, and that you were just tryin' to seem clueless as to who to take to the end.

My questions for you are:

1 - I would like to know, what was the criteria when choosing between Tomas and I, who to take to the F2?
2 - Were you really clueless about everything that was happening in the votes? Was it strategy from the beginning, or did it turn into strategy?






FOR BOTH OF YOU!
* I want you to assign each juror a season of the U.S "Survivor", and explain why you've chosen that season for each juror



Once again, congrats to both of you, and I'll await your answers.

[Tomas]

"I want you to assign each juror a season of the U.S "Survivor", and explain why you've chosen that season for each juror"

Just to be clear with that Joe, only season? Or do you wanna assign also season contestant of this season?

[Jose Luis "Joe"]

Dec 14, 2012 3:54:22 GMT -5 Tomas said:

"I want you to assign each juror a season of the U.S "Survivor", and explain why you've chosen that season for each juror"

Just to be clear with that Joe, only season? Or do you wanna assign also season contestant of this season?

One full season of the US series to each juror Tomas

[Sam]

Hey Joe, Ryan had a similar question as you did, but just wanted you to know that I am going to answer yours too with more detail. and that i'm working on it now!

[Sam]

Thanks for your thoughts Joe and for the wrestling gifs lol. I know everything Tomas and I are typing makes it a whole lot to read. And I know when I'm a juror things get so loooooooooooong in games sometimes haha. So I too will try and put in interesting pictures in here to break it up a little!

First off, I really want to apologize to you for how I treated you during the last final three round. =( I really regret saying that I wanted us to be in the final two together, when I had no idea who I would actually choose. I didn't ever say I was going to bring you to F2, but I strongly hinted that I would. And for that I sincerely apologize. That couldn't have felt good. =/


I really never thought I would ever, ever win Immunity, so I didn't think it would be an issue. Y'all really have no idea how insanely hectic my life was this past week lol. I had basically no time at all with final exams in medical school. They did not give us a week off to study so I had four cumulative exams with six total days to study for them. Each had about 2,500 slides to memorize almost every fact on. It was insaaaaaane. (but I think my exams all turned out well in the end! yay!)


I was soooooo stressed and worried, in addition to having to study all hours of the day everyday. It is hard for me to study for a long time, because I have a short attention span lol. Also being in this game at the time didn't help my stress levels any haha. This game is stressful enough without finals! In addition, I was paranoid about the final three. I had gotten so far and gotten through so many obstacles at this point, and you never know what could happen at f3. You can imagine how crazy it was to be in the minority at merge and not having power in deciding who gets voted out. Every round was stressful. Having a beginning game full of stressful hidden immunity idols didn't help any!

So in that crazy state of mind, I just wanted to do what I could to give myself a shot at getting to the final two. At that point I had very little sleep the whole week and constant tests. I begged the hosts to move the deadline for the challenge back just a few hours from midnight to 8am so that I would have time to do the challenge... but they wouldn't budge. So at the last minute I decided to skip a night's sleep so that I would have both time to study and do the challenge. It was the only way to fit both in. That was rough. BELIEVE ME I paid the price for that today and yesterday lol. I know it was completely crazy to do that for an online game but... I felt like at this point I had come so far, and didn't want to see it all collapse after so long. I just wanted to give it my best shot at both exams and in this game, so I pushed through.


So then I was talking to Joe at the Final 3 and I totally led you on, which I regret. I was sure you would win immunity because Tomas had not been a competitor at challenges. And I think you would have won Immunity Joe if your power hadn't gone out!!!


Then I won Immunity and I was shocked. I really had no idea what to choose, because I really never thought about it. I thought the votes would be close at the final tribal council either way. When I talked to you that night Joe, I honestly had no idea who I was going to vote for. And I only had a short time to decide. One thing I do regret is making you wait that long with that uncertainty. That must of sucked. =( But I really had no clue what I was going to do and I didn't want to make the wrong decision so I needed time to think.

Let me take you through what I was thinking. It was really all about whether the Mbochi would be upset at you Joe for voting them out. Or if they recognized that you made the tough but smart decision and would vote for you to win. That was really only what it was about, you Joe lol. From my outside perspective, I could see that you made the hard, but smart decisions almost each and every time. You were voting out people who were going to win instead of you.

But I also know that sometimes juries can be very upset in games, and take things personally, and vote against people who voted them out. So I really had no idea which was the case here.


In the end, all I could think about was what I had seen in the game so far. I had seen a cohesive, intelligent, and awesome alliance of five people dominate at the early merge. I had heard about you five guys working together flawlessly in Mbochi. I witnessed myself how amazing you were able to work together at the auction to get tons of prizes, while my small group lied to each other and lost a prize.

I listened at the live Tribal Council as Adrian was surprisingly voted out, and I didn't hear a bitter man at all. On the contrary I heard someone who was congratulating his friends for voting him out, a true sign of maturity and sportsmanship. Later on at the Facebook page Adrian was congratulating you Joe for surviving so long against all odds.



Then I thought about Dave's vote. I knew Dave played it straight, upfront, and as honest as he could be, while still playing smart when necessary.


But then I remembered how close you and Dave were the whole game. And I know Dave's a seasoned veteran at these games, and I know he's a very smart player who doesn't take things all that personally. He's told me that much himself, that not a whole lot bothers him in these games (though all of us get bothered sometimes, we are all human lol). I know Dave is bright, and that Dave realized he was a threat to win because everyone liked him while he also played the game great.


Then I remembered Joe that I asked you about the conversation between you and Dave during those 13 minutes we had to vote at the live Final Four Tribal Council. You were telling me how Dave was surprised that you were thinking of voting him out. But you told me that Dave said for you to "do the best thing for you in this game." That Dave thought you should play smart, and for yourself. How he was very reasonable and understanding even in the face of all that stress.

And when I thought about that, I thought Dave might vote for you to win too. And I had promised Tomas final 2 at the final 5, so I thought he would vote for you to win if I backstabbed him at the end. With Adrian's, Dave's, and Tomas's vote... things were looking a bit bleak.


I also thought about the absolutely amazing journey you had throughout this game Joe lol. You said it yourself - you were the Susan Lucci of this game. You were targeted for votes so many times! But you kept constantly surviving and surviving. You made so many smart choices through this game. You were in a position of power throughout the entire merge. You kept yourself safe. You befriended almost everybody.


And I just realized there was no way I could compete against that. =(


I have to go eat now but I wanted to post this beforehand, I will answer the rest of your questions later tonight!

[Tomas]

Hey Joe finally

Thanks for everything you did and for your words. Now to the jury business...

Name the THREE key moves you made by yourself in this game

1. First Key Move - Forming of an alliance.

I offered an alliance to Adrian at very first day of this game, because i saw him like interesting,active and strong person. We talked together and i admit connect us like closest allies. This is what i made by myself because i wanna him like my closest ally. Also i contacted all of you guys about forming an alliance once i get that, Danielle and Brandon are not the ones. I know that this is probably will go in same way still also in case that i didnt contact you, but i did.

2. Second Key Move - sticking with an alliance after being convincing by Sagar, CB.

This was something which i did by myself too. Because, Sagar and CB, both came with great ideas how to flip on their side and get the numbers. That was all done just after the merge, and mostly after Renee's boot. That is definitely understable that these guys came with this ideas. And they had a really good ideas. They worked on everybody of us separately, so it wasn't something what Adrian or Dave told me not to do. I knew that voting with these guys so soon will destroy me, and make me sacrifice at next tribal council. Also it was something against my strategy and my gameplay. Probably the biggest push on me was right before Ryan's boot, because we weren't sure about that 2 people didn't flip. Like they were convincing me they were convincing you, so you know why we decided like we did:) It will be deadly for me to decide in other way, and right decision (made by me) get me to the final 4 with you.

3. Third Key Move - Alliance with Sagar after Adrian's boot . I was thinking for all the time, that you and Dave are very close together. But i relized it for sure just after this Tribal Council, when adrian was voted out of the game. So i connected with Sam, because i know that i have no chance against you. Even i had no hard feelings, or something, i really enjoyed you still i have to think more strategic then before. But i didn't wanna it goes in way how Sagar and Sam did, because Sagar was hell of threat in challenges so i tied for another council with you guys and voted off Sagar. Then, you know.. things went like it went.. I think that this decision got me where i am now, that i'm sitting here, and it's also a decision which i made by myself.


I want you to assign each juror a season of the U.S "Survivor", and explain why you've chosen that season for each juror

Renee




Micronesia - girls was in command. I still think that with a bit of lucky, Renee should become a very interesting player to be part of the final tribal council. I compared Renee to Dawn from SP (it's decision that i am standing behind) but when it's season, she's not like SP season. Renee is contestand of the game which used her likeable, her charm and she wasn't strong affraid of big moves. Like Cirie or Parv in Micronesia. And she was strong, like Amanda in Micronesia.

CB




Samoa - reason why i picked Samoa for CB is because he was so interesting player in social side and in physical side. He enjoyed using confessionals, talking with others but he still was really powerful in his own opinions. Samoa had big personalities like Mick,Brett,Natalie, Erick and of course mastermind Russel. That's my tribute to CB's enjoying his confessionals and stuff. And also to his power in challenges. Samoa was one of the best from last seasons.

Ryan




Australian Outback - Ryan was deadly in challenges like i said in Sagar's question. I compared Ryan to Ozzy in Sagar's thread, not to Colby because i think that Ryan is more youngest and more strong then colby was at his last season. But... I think that AO fits perfect for Ryan, that is really old season, but still good season and in this season powerful was very big part of being far in the game. That's why i choosed Australia!

Adrian




Heroes vs Villains - I choosed HvV for Adrian mostly because two reasons.

1. From personal view - I compared Adrian to Boston Rob. Adrian played very similiar game like Boston Rob here (even a way better) and both was just unlucky. First time when i started to like Mariano was in HvV and honestly i think that this is where Mariano become Hero from Villain lol. So that was like small HvV season for Adrian, but he's not started on Villains side Just being unlucky a little bit.

2. From global view - HvV was season when lot of great players and threats were just voted out before others. HvV was season where everybody had to play like perfect physicaly and perfect strategy and had to play like a villain or like a hero sometimes. And also be a good leader. I think that Adrian got something from each from this, so i fit him to this season.

Sagar




Cook Islands - Sagar looks like Cook Islands to me. Because his social skills, game skills, physical skills and ability to be so fu..in unpredictable like this season was. Everything from this was in Cook Islands season and i guess it's one of the most interesting seasons ever. So Sagar, signal for you to being part of this game once again!


Dave




Palau - My favourite season! Reason why i picked Palau for Dave is because in this season there were lot of likeable characters like Dave was in our season. Stephani, Bobby Jon, Ian, Tom. Lot of great and likeable players in this season. Dave ability was not only be likeable i know it.. we everyone are likeable but i have to compare this season to him.

Joe




All stars - And finally to you Joe. I will compare you to season of All stars. Because you ran the game together with Dave specially after the merge perfect, like Rob with Amber did. DONT GET ME WRONG PLEASE R and Amber are lovers, you are friends. But all i wanna to say there was only way how to destroy another two good buddies me and Adrian. And you got it, that only another great buddies can vote one of us out. It's great that there were 5 friends back in Mbochi and that there were 2x2 great friendships in Mbochi. Also i think that you played great under the radar game, so it's another reason for All star pick. I hope i don't insult juror But i am sure you understand me, friendship is really perfect way to win this game. We saw this so many times in Amazing Race, lol aren't we? Sometimes it's better then play with girlfriend. Girlfriends are for another things I compare you to All stars so Joe.



BONUS

Why i'm using my idol tonight - Because i am affraid of the hell that all of you won't just vote for me So i'm gonna use my idol and play it for Sam. This cause him negate his votes, and bring to me 1,000,000 Congo Dollars finally. Once i get them i will run back to the forest and order some stuff like liquor,weed,food whatever you wanna (it's almost free here) and we can celebrate it finally with Sandy, Tucker and lot of other alumni!


Okay Jose, thanks for your questions and Cena gifs

[Sam]

Part 2:

2 - Were you really clueless about everything that was happening in the votes? Was it strategy from the beginning, or did it turn into strategy?

That's a good question. I think it depends on each vote. From Final Five onwards, I did know what was going on and was a strategic part of it. Tomas and I made that secret alliance at F5. It was always my plan to try and be safe even without immunity. At F5, F4, and even before F3 immunity results were revealed, I think I was in a good place.

For four episodes in Kwele, I think I was in a great place. Me and Chris were kind of in the "middle" of the tribe, with Hash/Sagar on one side and Renee/Kim/JEB on the other. So I kind of knew what was going on from all different angles. A lot of them shared information with me.

When we switched tribes, no one could have predicted who was going to use their idols or the exact outcome of the vote lol. Especially with Kim self-voting, and Hash using his idol on Renee outta nowhere. And when you guys had control at merge, you weren't going to spill the details to me or my group, so I did not know who was being voted out. At all. haha. But I was fairly certain I would be safe, because of Renee not having an idol, and Sagar being a target.

So yes and no, I guess?

I can't say your social game was on the spot, because of the times we talked, you mentioned how you didn't talk to Sagar, or Dave, or how Tomas had a big time difference, or how you really didn't know much about what was going on each round.


It usually is never an advantage in Survivor to be thought of as a mastermind (see this game as an example, lol). So I kinda played up the cluelessness, though I really was clueless at early merge lol. I lied about not talking to Sagar because I thought I was even more doomed if you guys thought we were close allies. We were way less threatening to you if we were against each other than if you thought we were working together. Otherwise we were just another duo that needed to be broken up.

I was in an absolutely terrible position at the middle of merge, and needed to give myself the advantage anyway I could. I'm not sure how much you guys believed me about Sagar though lol, to your credit.


Also if you thought I was close with Sagar and then he got voted out and put on the jury, I would be doubly screwed, because then you'd think I'd have tons of votes to win. =/ It was just something I absolutely had to do to give myself any shot of winning at all.

With regards to the questions you asked Tomas, if I may comment... you said, "in game moves, I do think you were weak on that this season" and your question asked Tomas to explain his game moves. I was interested in hearing Tomas's response as well. Because from my perspective, he did not actively do things to help himself in the game.


I wanted to just address the three key game moves Tomas described:

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1. First Key Move - Forming of an alliance.

This was a good move Tomas made. It was important to make good alliances early on. I think he made the right choices, especially with Adrian.

But asking for an alliance on day one is one thing, and playing the rest of the game well with that alliance is another. Even Adrian seemed to have the same concerns about Tomas's gameplay as you did Joe. Adrian said in his questions "For most of the game, you [Tomas] were happy to let me take charge and call the shots." Adrian also said, "What many people won't know about your game is that I would always devise the crazy strategies that got us far".

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2. Second Key Move - sticking with an alliance after being convincing by Sagar, CB.

I don't know about this "key move" lol. I don't think it's rocket science to stick with your solid group of five members against three enemy challenge threats lol. Especially a group that you are great friends with, trust, and have a history with.

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3. Third Key Move - Alliance with Sagar after Adrian's boot .

Okay, this one I have to object to lol. I assume Tomas means "alliance with Sam," because that's what he described.

The scene: We just had the F6 Tribal Council, and Sagar had won Immunity, and somehow I wasn't voted out. After I picked my jaw up off the floor, I quickly realized I now had an opportunity.

Tomas was left out of this vote.

So I went straight to Tomas before he went to sleep cause it was 2am his time lol. I let him know I was here if he wanted to talk. I then told him about how tight Joe and Dave were, and how they had masterminded all of this.

The day after next, I decided to start getting up around 8-10am my time so I could try and catch Tomas on Skype. For the next three days I did see him, and we talked a lot about our strategies and future in the game. We also got to talk about our lives a little bit too for the first time so that was nice.

Tomas wanted to vote out Sagar now and separate Joe/Dave later. I thought that was really risky, for both me and Tomas. First, Tomas could lose the tiebreaker of iS points easily. If he did, I'd have little shot of making it to F2 without Immunity, and Dave could win Immunity or beat us both in jury easily.

And second... well... I'd rather have Sagar in the game for about fifty obvious reasons lol.

So little by little, day by day, I worked on trying to get Tomas to vote for Joe at final five. In these quotes I cut out all my long strategy talks and just are showing you the results lol. I think I accomplished it:

[12/7/2012 8:58:29 AM] tomas: i will do what you want man, to prove my loyality we can use my advantage on joe or dave's vote
[12/7/2012 8:59:04 AM] tomas: but there are only 2 ways to do that
[12/7/2012 8:59:34 AM] tomas: vote off dave tonight, and then win at least 1 of 2 immunities
[12/7/2012 8:59:54 AM] tomas: or vote off sagar easily tonight and then win first immunity
[12/7/2012 8:59:58 AM] tomas: both are tough lol

[12/8/2012 8:33:44 AM] tomas: so do u think that sagar is going rather with them then with us?
[12/8/2012 8:34:25 AM] tomas: but with sagar vote we can kick off Joe
[12/8/2012 8:34:31 AM] tomas: or with other vote we can kick off Sagar
[12/8/2012 8:34:38 AM] tomas: whatever u like more

And then... success!

[12/8/2012 9:06:19 AM] tomas: sounds good to me
[12/8/2012 9:06:37 AM] tomas: so yeah man we can stuck with this plan to destroy Dave/Joe

[12/8/2012 9:09:29 AM] tomas: yeah but i guess this is best way for us now
[12/8/2012 9:10:01 AM] tomas: you know, that i was the one who really dont want sagar around... for real.. but now i think it's best way for us, because iS points will be very deadly next round
[12/8/2012 9:10:31 AM] tomas: they probably will also in case that joe will left the game, and probably for me but it still bigger shot

Oh but wait, we have to let Sagar know about this plan...

[12/8/2012 9:19:38 AM] tomas: we have to contact sagar
[12/8/2012 9:20:15 AM] tomas: i am little bit affraid that i wont be able about deadline of TC so i hope we can make our plan till 3-4 hours from now
[12/8/2012 9:20:23 AM] tomas: we just need to have sagar around

[12/8/2012 9:21:32 AM] tomas: yeah dont worry im gonna contact him
[12/8/2012 9:21:39 AM] tomas: in case that he wont be able on skype
[12/8/2012 9:21:53 AM] tomas: im gonna write him message and cast the vote for Joe and negate for dave

So Tomas waits on Skype for about 5-6 hours, waiting for Sagar to show up to "confirm it." We need Sagar in on this plan for it to work. Sagar shows up about 20 minutes after Tomas signs off Skype. =/ What a disaster!!!


Then Tomas leaves me this message:

[12/8/2012 2:33:51 PM] tomas: hey sam, im just letting u that i voted for sagar, i talked with Dave and yeah he and Joe are together but i forced them to vote sagar for sure in case using my erase vote... i just didnt want to be off this game in this round, if there is a possibility to survive. Plan with sagar is the best, but he never replied me, not on proboards and not here, so im affraid that he's gonna work with dave and joe, so i forced dave to vote to sagar and i know how he's talking so i really think that he's voting for Sagar..as well as Joe.. so i casted my vote for Sagar.
reason why im letting u this know, is because i really want to go with you not with them so i wanna to let u know before TC, better than after its.

See I didn't understand this, and I think it shows some of Tomas's uncertainty at this point of the game. Tomas wasn't ever going to be voted out at final five. Sagar was never going to work with Dave/Joe. And also Tomas would have been safe from a f4 tiebreaker with this plan, and he would have had a good shot at final two against me or Sagar at f3.


To be a little bit blunt, I think Tomas wasn't sure what was going on without Adrian. I kind of feel like I had to start and push all of the strategies when I was talking with Tomas. What he was saying really didn't contribute to strategy a lot.

Also Tomas really rubbed me the wrong way when he just declared he was voting for Sagar, going against all of the three days of talking he had agreed to earlier. At that point I felt our alliance was broken by him. He didn't come to me and talk about it, he just did it and let me know about it.

That is why I didn't give Tomas the Immunity at F4 like I was going to, because I didn't trust him because of that. That could have led him to being voted out, or not being taken to final 2.


Sorry if this seems pushy... I just wanted to kind of show you what the game was like from my own perspective, and then you can judge it however you like. I just want to state the facts and make my case. And of course I appreciate any of Tomas's comments on what I say! My game sure as hell wasn't perfect lol.

Next up tomorrow: Survivor seasons!

[Tomas]

Dec 15, 2012 2:03:41 GMT -5 Sam said:

See I didn't understand this, and I think it shows some of Tomas's uncertainty at this point of the game. Tomas wasn't ever going to be voted out at final five. Sagar was never going to work with Dave/Joe. And also Tomas would have been safe from a f4 tiebreaker with this plan, and he would have had a good shot at final two against me or Sagar at f3.

This was not my uncertainty man, this is something what was need to be done. Because i really wanted Sagar out this round. I was the one. And one and only who wanted Sagar out at the very first flipping Ryan's boot Tribal Council. I didn't want for Ryan i wanted to vote for Sagar. I saw Sagar like physical and social threat and i wanted him gone before Ryan, i just made deny my decision because in other way my alliance would sacrifice me at next round.

So in this round. Even you think this was random it wasn't. I need you and i want you like my ally for next rounds But i need to have Sagar's out. I need him gone this round because he can easily win another immunity easily. And I still wasn't sure about you connection with Sagar. Do you think that you will bring me to the final 2 also, if Sagar is with us in f3? I don't think so. Maybe you will so sorry then, but i just wasn't sure about old Kwele lines. That's the reason why i tried to vote of Sagar this round. Not another...

So i wanted to go with you and i tried to be your on your side but i really don't wanna Sagar to stay like u did, because he was really strong. That's reason for my PM that i posted you and you posted it here. That was not a random move

[Adrian]

Dec 15, 2012 2:03:41 GMT -5 Sam said:

Even Adrian seemed to have the same concerns about Tomas's gameplay as you did Joe. Adrian said in his questions "For most of the game, you [Tomas] were happy to let me take charge and call the shots." Adrian also said, "What many people won't know about your game is that I would always devise the crazy strategies that got us far".

I want to clarify on this, so that everyone understands. I was merely putting it into simpler English for Tomas to be able to answer as best he can.

When I said he was happy to let me take charge, I was implying use me as a shield while having a lot of sway with the alliance.

With regards to "What many people won't know about your game is that I would always devise the crazy strategies that got us far" YOU ARE LEAVING OUT THE WHOLE SECTION AFTER THAT and deliberately quoting me out of context. If you want my vote, Sam, don't quote me out of context in front of everyone when I can still clarify. You're better than that, dude...

What I meant - if you look at the rest of the sentence - was that Tomas' input helped me refine my strategies and put the finishing touches and that he did contribute strategically.

I am giving you a fair chance to earn my vote, dude. Don't pull this crap...

[Sam]

Tomas if you are saying it was a move/lie though with that Final 5 statement, why did you go about it the way you did? You could have just argued that Sagar had to go with me logically during our Skype chats, and I would have to agree.

Instead, you:

-Waited on Skype for 6 hours for Sagar, who could have easily come online. Then you would have to have made the agreement. That would have caused you potential problems if Sagar decided to tell Dave or Joe about that.

-Sent Sagar a message saying you wanted to work with him (he told me you did). Then you voted for him. This might just make him even more angry at you for no reason when jury would come around.

-Made me mad by completely going against what you had said you'd do, losing major trust from me. At that point I really didn't trust you again.


How does that sound like a good gameplan? When you could have just talked with me and we agree together that you wanted to vote out Sagar? That would cause none of those above problems.

With regards to "What many people won't know about your game is that I would always devise the crazy strategies that got us far" YOU ARE LEAVING OUT THE WHOLE SECTION AFTER THAT and deliberately quoting me out of context.

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying? The second part didn't seem all that relevant. Here's the whole thing:

What many people won't know about your game is that I would always devise the crazy strategies that got us far and you were always the first person I would run them by. I would sometimes use your input to refine them

[Tomas]

I typed Sagar message to see how he's gonna get it. I'm not saying that i was whole round for Sagar's gone. I was also thinking about plan to work with Sagar and you but i decided then to not go in this way. So it just play for my cards that he didn't go online.

And yeah, you probably can be mad, but my strategy was also to don't make you a really angry, because:

You also told me that you are open to whatever way i like because we are allies now- like voting Sagar's out or voting out Joe, but you definitely wanted way to work with Sagar and vote off Joe (or Dave). And even i told you same, you saw that i wanted another way lol

That's why i couldn't be sure that you are gonna bring me instead of Sagar, and that's why this fit perfectly because Sagar was really strong in challenges.

Yeah i was thinking also about other way, but soon i realized that best way is to go with original Mbochi for one more round.

This is how i played this round and how it was. You can argue on everything but my confessionals are prove of my words and my plan was to take off Sagar, then someone from Dave/Joe because there was no other way. I am not gonna argue on that more, and i am done with this thread, only in case that Joe wanna ask something more

so good luck;)

[Sam]

Thanks for your response, Tomas. This is a bit of a debate between us, so I like to hear what you are thinking about my thoughts. I think you understand that there is a "jury," like a courtroom. There are two opposing sides who each present their own arguments, and critique their opponent's arguments. Nothing wrong with that.


I feel I must address this Jeffrey person who is liking every one of Tomas's posts and disliking every one of mine haha. Jeffrey even disliked my two-sentence post to Jose where I said I was working on writing a response lol. Of course everyone is free to have their own player they support, but I was confused as to why someone would spend all that time disliking every one of my posts.

The AIM name in Jeffrey's profile looked familiar, so I searched my e-mail for it. It turns out Jeffrey played in two mafia games I hosted 5 years ago, Spies 3: The Collective and Spies 4: The Schism. He also applied to play Spies 5 but I politely did not accept his application, because he had played twice before and I wanted to give new people a chance to play. Other than that I only remember pleasant conversations with him... I assume he is still angry about all that that happened 4 years ago? Sometimes when hosting you get little events like that that take place sometimes. It's a hard choice to decide who gets to play your game when lots of people want to play. =/

I look forward to seeing that little 'Jeffrey dislikes this post' under this one haha.


* I want you to assign each juror a season of the U.S "Survivor", and explain why you've chosen that season for each juror


I have only seen the first 14 seasons of the show I think, so forgive me for not using recent seasons.


Renee: Survivor: Borneo. This was Renee's first proboards game, but she adapted quickly. (I know it's not her first survivor game at all lol, just first proboards, but they can be different). She figured out how the game worked quickly and got herself very far in the game.

Chris: Survivor: Marquesas. Marquesas was filled with social players who made smart moves. Chris would fit in there.

Ryan: Survivor: Amazon. Amazon had some fierce competitors who never gave up, like Ryan did.

Adrian: Survivor: Outback. Outback was a smart game, but it was also a very tribal game. Adrian played very tribally for the protection of his group.

Sagar: Survivor: All-Stars. All-Stars was a game where all the players played hard. Everyone played hard in this game and Sagar shone amongst them, making it very very far.

Dave: Survivor: Palau. Palau was a very honorable season. Tom and Ian played great games but always kept true to themselves as well. Dave made plenty of smart moves, but also kept himself as honest as he could be and upfront.

Joe: Survivor: Pearl Islands. I think this was one of the most strategic seasons of the show. Every episode at the merge was some sort of amazing mixup. At the end, underdogs Sandra, Lillian, and Darrah voted out powerhouse Burton. But then Jon came back in the next round! It was full of constant switch-ups, and I loved it. Joe's strategic game would fit well in this season.


I think that finishes up my questions from you Joe. Thanks for your friendship and for playing with me in this game, I always had enjoyed playing with you. Best of luck with your decision!