Social Gaming - Building of an alliance

[Tomas]

ALLIANCES

Everybody needs an ally. My first goal in this game is to get a loyal and friendly ally with who can i make my way through this game easier and to the end. Like i said at application and also at opening words of this game :

My social game = be loyal to my alliance and make a powerful, loyal and friendly ally.

you know, it's a bit hard in these new times of Survivor, because in modern history of Survivor.. there are lot of blindsides, lot of crazy decision. But i agree.. Strategy is one of the most (if not the most) important point of this game. Because of that i was trying to find ally to closest F2 alliance. I was searching for loyal, active, strong and wise guy or girl... and my choice is ...




Yeah, me and Adrian made an early deal of closest to alliance in the game. We 2, i got his back and he's got mine. I like this guys, he is very friendly and interesting. We had a long talk about our countries, lifestyle, girlfriends and i feel really good about that. I don't want be naive but i hope we can be good 2 together. Also i think he's very clever to do something stupid and i think that he's thinking same about our final 2 alliance.

Some transcripts from first afternoon at the tribe camp-


[11/9/12 7:00:50 PM] tomas denes: looks nice i will check it, i still trying to find new season to watch
[11/9/12 7:01:20 PM] tomas denes: oh it's hard but i am glad both of you doing well she is working or she is or some studying trip?
[11/9/12 7:01:46 PM] tomas denes: i have my close friend in Belgium in Antverpas at collage-studying trip called erasmus
[11/9/12 7:02:25 PM] tomas denes: okay adrian i have to go afk for some time, but i ll get skype online in case
[11/9/12 7:02:51 PM] tomas denes: but i am glad that i have person like you in our tribe, i hope we can work together what do you think?
[11/9/12 7:02:58 PM] Adrian John Dias: She is working as an Aupair. She went to one of the Erasmus parties, actuall!
[11/9/12 7:03:04 PM] tomas denes: hope our rest of the world tribe will be better:)
[11/9/12 7:03:25 PM] Adrian John Dias: Sounds great bro!
[11/9/12 7:03:36 PM] Adrian John Dias: Want to make an alliance right now?
[11/9/12 7:04:12 PM] tomas denes: for girls that european aupair jobs are good, don't worry april is nearly here))
[11/9/12 7:04:24 PM] tomas denes: yes i think it would be great to be in alliance with you
[11/9/12 7:04:57 PM] tomas denes: honestly i haven't talk to somebody from our tribe yet only i typed to jose pm cause he was online at the time
[11/9/12 7:05:21 PM] tomas denes: but i think that we can be both active and you are really cool man
[11/9/12 7:05:37 PM] tomas denes: hope we can be strong allies:)
[11/9/12 7:06:30 PM] Adrian John Dias: I hope the others are as fun and easy going as going as you are, but I'm sure if you and I work together we can make things happen pretty well. I haven't spoke to anyone either, Nobody ealse has been online so fa.
[11/9/12 7:06:45 PM] Adrian John Dias: Eithere way, I get good vubes from you man.
[11/9/12 7:07:27 PM] Adrian John Dias: I will be online tomorrow and I will tell you if I speak to anyone so that we can decide on some allies for us together if you are cool with that.
[11/9/12 7:07:53 PM] Adrian John Dias: *vibes
[11/9/12 7:08:19 PM] tomas denes: same here man
[11/9/12 7:08:39 PM] tomas denes: yes that's great idead
[11/9/12 7:08:44 PM] tomas denes: idea* sorry
[11/9/12 7:09:55 PM] tomas denes: i am definitely for next people with us we will see about that maybe tomorrow, now i am going for some time afk, but i will be here also at today's evening so maybe somebody shows up
[11/9/12 7:10:49 PM] tomas denes: maybe i will be have some problems with skype at dormitory becuase i have linux there, but i ll told you later (in case i ll send PM or AIM)
[11/9/12 7:11:13 PM] Adrian John Dias: Sounds great! Have a great evening. It was awesome to meet you and I hope we can make it to the end together and make a real friendship outside of the game
[11/9/12 7:11:41 PM] Adrian John Dias: I will send you a facebook friend request tomorrow as well in case.
[11/9/12 7:11:49 PM] Adrian John Dias: Enjoy your evening

[Tomas]

STEP 2

Me and Adrian was thinking about next allies to make our alliance stronger and to have a numbers for possible Tribal Council.

And we had lucky!!!

At our the very first evening two Ontario guys came to us and ask me and Adrian directly about alliance.
Danielle came to me and ask me about alliance idea of me, adrian, her and brandon. Of course, i said : Yes girl, i am definitely with ya. You know, it's great to have them with us because, we can have a numbers.

[11/9/12 10:20:08 PM] Danielle: hey guys i wanted to talk with you guys about possibly joining forces with me
[11/9/12 10:20:25 PM] tomas denes: hey danielle
[11/9/12 10:20:34 PM] tomas denes: nice to meet you in this game;)
[11/9/12 10:21:48 PM] tomas denes: i think it will be definitelly interesting to work together
[11/9/12 10:22:00 PM] tomas denes: do you mean 3member alliance?
[11/9/12 10:23:00 PM] Danielle: umm weill i think brandon would go with us too
[11/9/12 10:24:12 PM] tomas denes: it sounds good i think that it's pretty solid alliance
[11/9/12 10:24:36 PM] tomas denes: im in, i hope we all me you adrian and brandon can work together
[11/9/12 10:24:59 PM] tomas denes: but i havent spoke to brandon yet so i will talk to him also:)
[11/9/12 10:27:12 PM] Danielle: ok
[11/9/12 10:27:19 PM] Danielle added Brandon to this conversation
[11/9/12 10:27:35 PM] Danielle: hey brandon so tomas is in, is that good?
[11/9/12 10:27:43 PM] Brandon: Yes!! Hi!
[11/9/12 10:27:44 PM] tomas denes: hey brandon
[11/9/12 10:27:51 PM] tomas denes: nice to meet you too
[11/9/12 10:27:52 PM] Brandon: hey tomas:)
[11/9/12 10:27:55 PM] Brandon: nice to meet u to
[11/9/12 10:27:57 PM] tomas denes:
[11/9/12 10:28:09 PM] Brandon: we should all stick together
[11/9/12 10:29:11 PM] tomas denes: that's true at first we look maybe a bit less active then other tribe so we active ones have to stick together
[11/9/12 10:29:16 PM] tomas denes: i think that adrian will be in also
[11/9/12 10:29:24 PM] Danielle: i think soo
[11/9/12 10:29:37 PM] Brandon: yay we need to stick together before the other ones get together:)
[11/9/12 10:29:41 PM] tomas denes: we can form strong 4-membered alliance
[11/9/12 10:30:01 PM] tomas denes: with maybe one member from other 4 to vote with us too
[11/9/12 10:30:28 PM] tomas denes: but i think that this alliance is really good idea guys
[11/9/12 10:31:17 PM] Brandon: Perfect!!
[11/9/12 10:31:32 PM] Danielle: i think maybe we could try to get the young one in
[11/9/12 10:31:41 PM] Brandon: quantz or whatever
[11/9/12 10:32:19 PM] Danielle: im thinking he might be easy to make do what we want (that sounds really mean i know lol)
[11/9/12 10:32:29 PM] Brandon: lol its ok. we understand
[11/9/12 10:32:37 PM] tomas denes: same here lol
[11/9/12 10:32:44 PM] tomas denes: no it's good idea
[11/9/12 10:32:54 PM] tomas denes: in case he wont be replaced
[11/9/12 10:33:18 PM] Brandon: just need to get past the first vote and were good
[11/9/12 10:34:48 PM] tomas denes: sounds cool, we can contact him and tell him that we wanna work together
[11/9/12 10:35:12 PM] tomas denes: i added all of you guys on skype so we will see how soon he will accept invitation lol
[11/9/12 10:37:16 PM] Danielle: well hes 15 he prolly just got out of school like an hr ago lol
[11/9/12 10:38:41 PM] tomas denes: lol still forget on timezones
[11/9/12 10:39:00 PM] Danielle: true
[11/9/12 10:39:07 PM] tomas denes: here it's like midnight
[11/9/12 10:39:17 PM] Brandon: wow
[11/9/12 10:39:20 PM] Brandon: only 430 here
[11/9/12 10:39:21 PM] Danielle: your in europe right?
[11/9/12 10:39:26 PM] Danielle: so its 9 hrs
[11/9/12 10:39:32 PM] tomas denes: yy
[11/9/12 10:39:34 PM] Danielle: ahead of us here in ontario
[11/9/12 10:39:37 PM] tomas denes: it's 22:39 exactly
[11/9/12 10:39:42 PM] tomas denes: here in Slovakia
[11/9/12 10:39:52 PM] Danielle: ok so 8 hrs then
[11/9/12 10:40:07 PM] Danielle: no 7
[11/9/12 10:40:08 PM] tomas denes: okay guys i like that idea about our 4
[11/9/12 10:40:10 PM] Brandon: lol i love our pics
[11/9/12 10:40:12 PM] Brandon: on the wall
[11/9/12 10:40:17 PM] tomas denes: well 5 with that young boy
[11/9/12 10:40:19 PM] Danielle: i hate mie lol
[11/9/12 10:40:22 PM] tomas denes: quantz
[11/9/12 10:40:30 PM] tomas denes: quanz
[11/9/12 10:41:29 PM] tomas denes: which ones?
[11/9/12 10:41:41 PM] tomas denes: our tribe looks good lol everyone
[11/9/12 10:41:41 PM] Danielle: it appears thats his last name- wierd to use that as your name on a game like this lol
[11/9/12 10:41:45 PM] tomas denes: i like that idea being rest of the world
[11/9/12 10:41:50 PM] Brandon: yeah
[11/9/12 10:41:56 PM] Brandon: most of us are ontario but world team is kool



Well it's pretty obvious that Danielle and Brandon are very close together. But it doesn't matter cause our 4 have to stick together and get our numbers. About that Canadians I think that they are cool. Brandon is kind a bit quit then Danielle lol. But i get lot of fun with both of them this evening...
Man, we have 2 and 2 strong members working together, we just have to get one more player.

Our alliance

[Tomas]

SEARCHING FOR LAST KEY OF OUR ALLIANCE

As we were talking. We need to have a one person to vote with us. At first we were thinking bout young boy Quanz, because this is big chance for him. But then i was thinkin, and also Adrian was thinking. What if...
What if it's just too good for Canadian members to be together. Danielle and Brandon wanted Quanz in our alliance for sure, but i am not so sure with him. We came with another idea... about get Ian to our alliance (because he wants to be in and asked us first. Quanz haven't asked about alliance yet). Maybe it's really wise to get to our alliance Ian and make our 5-member alliance with him.


Our talk together -


[11/10/12 11:50:30 AM] Adrian John Dias: Hi Danielle!
[11/10/12 11:51:00 AM] Adrian John Dias: I just read the conversation and I would love to join you guys.
[11/10/12 11:51:13 AM] Adrian John Dias: I spoke with Tomas and he is a solid guy.
[11/10/12 11:51:42 AM] Adrian John Dias: You go with myself and him and I think we will be solid and strong.
[11/10/12 11:53:45 AM] Adrian John Dias: Sup Brandon. I would like to get to know you guys better as well, so give me a shout when you're on Skype.
[11/10/12 11:54:16 AM] Adrian John Dias: I have some information about Ian as well. He seems dangerous.
[11/10/12 11:54:38 AM] Adrian John Dias: He knows the game so well it is scary.
[11/10/12 11:55:33 AM] Adrian John Dias: He could be our potential 5th member so he can help us navigate the tricky part of the game, but we must be wary of getting close to him.
[11/10/12 11:55:42 AM] Adrian John Dias: Let me know what you guys think.
[11/10/12 2:48:09 PM] Brandon: Awesome Love it. Cant wait to get to know you as well!
[11/10/12 2:48:23 PM] Brandon: so ere a solid 4! Lets just use this thread to communicate about anything!!
[11/10/12 4:07:29 PM] tomas: great guys i am glad we all are together:)
[11/10/12 4:07:40 PM] tomas: what about fifth member, quanz or ian?
[11/10/12 4:26:46 PM] Adrian John Dias: I spoke to Ian and he is desperate to be in an alliance with someone, so why not pull him in?
[11/10/12 4:27:17 PM] Adrian John Dias: I don't see why we can't have 6 - the four of us strong and the other guys as shields?
[11/10/12 4:30:27 PM] tomas: i am in that Ian's fifth member idea guys
[11/10/12 4:30:49 PM] tomas: we still have numbers to vote him vote if he is trying to make something stupid against us lol
[11/10/12 4:33:39 PM] Adrian John Dias: Let me know what you all think. I don't want to come in a boss anyone around, so I am all for your opinions too
[11/10/12 4:33:56 PM] Adrian John Dias: I just want us to be strong and kick the other tribe's ass



Then Adrian came with very interesting plan -

To keep our IDOLS and of course to keep us SAVE


[11/10/12 4:40:41 PM] Adrian John Dias: Yup
[11/10/12 4:40:43 PM] tomas: i think we should vote off quanz
[11/10/12 4:40:47 PM] tomas: just in case
[11/10/12 4:40:53 PM] tomas: or dave
[11/10/12 4:40:54 PM] Adrian John Dias: I agree
[11/10/12 4:41:03 PM] Adrian John Dias: This is how we can do it
[11/10/12 4:43:05 PM] tomas: im listening man)
[11/10/12 4:43:29 PM] Adrian John Dias: We need to form our core with YOU, ME, BRANDON, DANIELLE and IAN and bring QUANZ in as a 6th. If we lose, we spilt the votes 3 Dave and 3 Jose. We get Ian to tell them Quanz wants them gone and they must play their idol. If they do, their 2 votes sends Quanz home, they have no idols and our alliance does and we vote them off next.
[11/10/12 4:44:17 PM] Adrian John Dias: Poor Quanz
[11/10/12 4:45:04 PM] Adrian John Dias: That way we all keep our idols for the merge.
[11/10/12 4:45:43 PM] Adrian John Dias: That way we can be strong and if one of us wins immunity, we have a spare for our tribe to save themselves with if any of them have more left.
[11/10/12 4:46:01 PM] tomas: that's great idea man
[11/10/12 4:46:06 PM] tomas:
[11/10/12 4:46:53 PM] Adrian John Dias: Also, we make Ian look like a bit of an untrustworthy guy and the Canadians will want to keep us longer in our alliance than him.
[11/10/12 4:47:12 PM] tomas: so we will tell quanz that we are gonna vote for dave and quanz
[11/10/12 4:47:15 PM] tomas: lol sorry
[11/10/12 4:47:21 PM] tomas: dave and jose
[11/10/12 4:47:58 PM] tomas: and we actually have to vote for jose and quanz
[11/10/12 4:48:09 PM] tomas: it should work perfectly
[11/10/12 4:48:15 PM] Adrian John Dias: We don't tell Brandon and Danielle that we got Ian to tell Dave and Jose to play their idols and they will be shocked Quanz goes home and want to vote them out.
[11/10/12 4:48:24 PM] tomas: just hope that dave isn't workin with quanz or with somebody else
[11/10/12 4:48:27 PM] Adrian John Dias: That is it, dude!
[11/10/12 4:48:40 PM] Adrian John Dias: He probably will be
[11/10/12 4:48:48 PM] tomas: it's a bit strange for me that jose,quanz and dave haven't typed me yet a word or you
[11/10/12 4:49:35 PM] Adrian John Dias: But if we have more numbers and get Ian to lie for us, if our plans backfires, they send him home and we can regroup.
[11/10/12 4:49:42 PM] Adrian John Dias: I think so too
[11/10/12 4:50:43 PM] Adrian John Dias: If our plan works, they would be dumb to not keep us all together because we have idols to save eachother at the merge
[11/10/12 4:50:55 PM] tomas: well adrian honestly i thinl that your idea to bring Ian with us is way better then anyone other
[11/10/12 4:51:11 PM] tomas: so we have to definitely get him on our side:)
[11/10/12 4:51:24 PM] Adrian John Dias: I told him to get hold of you
[11/10/12 4:51:32 PM] Adrian John Dias: He will try chat when he can.

It's a really great idea. We have to get Ian to our alliance and convince Quanz to vote with us. I still hopin for our tribe to win the first challenge, but in case we won't. Hope our alliance can make this plan happen and destroy some idols in this game, because they make us reaaaaallly mad. Also we have to stay save. It will be definitely deadly council. Dangerous for everybody. That's why we have to rock in first challenge also!

[Sam]

This is really interesting. Mbochi was playing really hard really early.

It seems that all this scheming, planning elaborate group voting strategies, is happening even before they lost the first Immunity Challenge?


It also seems that Adrian and Tomas joined an alliance with Brandon and Danielle before even saying hi to them.

I must admit I don't understand why lots of Survivor players make alliances in the first conversation (or in this case, even before the first conversation lol). As seen in this game and every other, they never last and are rarely beneficial to either person. Most of the time they are harmful.


I guess I understand the desire to want to be safe in a new and exciting situation, which of course is fraught with danger lol. But the way to do that is to get people to like you (and thus want you around, and feel safe with you). Getting them to say the word "alliance" to you does not achieve that goal lol. Just having a friendly, bonding conversation about life + similar interests does achieve that goal.


Also I am very much enjoying reading Adrian's conversations haha. It is quite bold to declare this 24 hours into the game:

11/10/12 4:43:29 PM] Adrian John Dias: We need to form our core with YOU, ME, BRANDON, DANIELLE and IAN and bring QUANZ in as a 6th. If we lose, we spilt the votes 3 Dave and 3 Jose.

[Sam]

[11/11/12 12:28:50 AM] Adrian John Dias: I agree with Tomas about keeping our 4 strong, but we need a 5th as a patsy
[11/11/12 12:29:22 AM] tomas: yes yes we need 5th one definitely
[11/11/12 12:29:39 AM] Adrian John Dias: The 5th needs to think he is in a solid 3-some with 2 separate groups of 2 in our alliance


[11/11/12 12:48:51 AM] Adrian John Dias: Me too
[11/11/12 12:48:58 AM] Adrian John Dias: let us bring in Quanz
[11/11/12 12:49:07 AM] Adrian John Dias: we keep her happy
[11/11/12 12:49:32 AM] Adrian John Dias: At final 6, we vote 3 - 3 with an American on our side.


Holy ja-moly lol. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but if someone came to me talking like this Day Two I'd be thinking they're a total trainwreck haha. Well, I guess I kinda experienced it with Hash, but I think he was not planning out the Final 6 Tribal Council 48 hours into the game lol. (If I remember correctly?? lol)

also, I can't believe all this dramatic stuff was said publicly in an open chat against Dave, Quanz, etc, and that I didn't know about it or couldn't use it come merge lol. I guess everything got resolved by then but even so, I think that was very very very lucky on y'alls part.

[Adrian]

Sam, if you read my confessionals, I woke up on day 2 and found that I had been dragged into the Brandon/Danielle alliance before I had a chance to say or do anything. Of course I am going to say "Sure, I will be in your alliance". If I don't I am toast.

I approached Tomas with that plan because we both got the impression Brandon was up to something. I made a plan for us to be safe in case they do try something along the road - and as you may have noticed I turned out to be correct.

Tomas I made an alliance with so early because we clicked on many levels and would probably have become friends in real life. This second convo was only between me and Tomas. The first one was with Brandon and Danielle. I did my damage control when Brandon did try show Dave and Ryan and I proved my worth by winning the second challenge for us while Brandon did nothing to help, so I think I did come out of the gates a bit strong - but recovered well, hence my "Player of the episode" title

[Tomas]

Yeah Sam, truth is that me and Adrian did a soon alliance because we liked talk with each other. Like you said, we just have a great time with talking so we form that soon alliance..which as you know..worked great

About other alliance with Danielle and Brandon. It was mystake of course, but Canadians came with offer to us not we to them. So we just accepted their alliance, because we were only on our own. But soon (after first challenge) we realized that it was not so good move and then form our long-term alliance of Me,Adrian,Dave,Joe and Ryan

[Sandy]

Dec 30, 2012 5:13:55 GMT -5 Sam said:

I guess I understand the desire to want to be safe in a new and exciting situation, which of course is fraught with danger lol. But the way to do that is to get people to like you.

Coming from arguably one of the most unlikable people to play iSurv1vor, and probably the most unlikable person birthed. :*